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Re: [Tigers] Starting on My tiger after 20yrs - Rear end

To: "Doornbos, Daniel" <daniel.doornbos@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starting on My tiger after 20yrs - Rear end
From: Larry Paulick via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 10:25:03 -0400
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Don=E2=80=99t know if list fixed, but getting more emails now. =20

BTW, this is finally good Tiger info, and worth the read.  Good Job.

Larry
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Doornbos, Daniel via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> Well if the Tiger list wants activity I=E2=80=99m ready to trigger a =
discussion.
> =20
> My Tiger shell has sat garaged for 20yrs and I=E2=80=99ve finally =
started this week.  I=E2=80=99ve had prior starts as well but this time =
it=E2=80=99s real as the car is on jack stands and the tires, hood, =
trunk, windshield removed.  I=E2=80=99ve saved 100=E2=80=99s of e-mails =
to word docs and have a pretty good idea of where and how I am going to =
do this.  I=E2=80=99m starting at the back of the car and working =
forward, mechanical systems only let=E2=80=99s get this car on the road! =
 I=E2=80=99ve got one of the bolt in FE from Mike H and get to do what I =
want for spindle and bolt pattern up front so the question is what to do =
with the rear end?  Lots of info available on disk brakes and don=E2=80=99=
t think that will be too tricky.  With a 5 spd conversion planned I=E2=80=99=
ll put in a new posi unit with 2.73 gears.    I also have a Dan W torque =
arm set up to install and will be removing the panhard rod and traction =
masters.
> =20
> In my notes though I see comments about weakness of the two piece =
axle.  Sandy G had a custom rear end made and posted that info here =
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html =
<http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html> .  I=E2=80=99ve=
 got another e-mail saved that sums it up best from =E2=80=9Cbt=E2=80=9D =
about, =E2=80=9CDoane welded the ends off an AH 3000 onto a Dana 23 =
housing from a Studebaker. The result was a full floating axle with a =
one piece axle. I had a pair of axles made for it over 12 years ago and =
those are still running great with many thousands of high G racing =
miles. The advantage of the full floating design is that if the axle =
were to fail the wheel would not separate from the car. The LAT 43 piece =
looks like it would bolt onto the Dana 44 Tiger housing but take the =
outer pieces (bearings, seals) from the AH.
> =20
> The stock Tiger rear end axle design has "bugged" racers since =
inception. Last Saturday Ted Sutton stopped by the Tiger pits at Willow. =
(For those not familiar with Ted, he was the crew chief on the Shelby =
American race Tiger. He also built the first 427 Cobra.) His first =
question was, "Are these Tigers still using that silly two piece axle =
design with a key way?" We told him most are. He just shook his head.=E2=80=
=9D
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m far from an expert on rear end design and options.  =46rom =
what I read and my plans to build a high hp street car, as opposed to a =
full on race car, should I do something with the stock rear end?  Is =
this as simple as turning up at the local 4x4 shop and at a minimum =
getting a single piece axel made?  I don=E2=80=99t want to change =
housing because I have the Dan Walter set up ready to install on the =
Dana 44.  Or is the stock axel not such a worry?
> =20
> Thanks
> dan
> =20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Don=E2=80=99t know if list fixed, but getting more emails =
now. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">BTW, =
this is finally good Tiger info, and worth the read. &nbsp;Good =
Job.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Larry<br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Jun 10, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Doornbos, Daniel via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Intel =
Clear" size=3D"2" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Well if the Tiger list wants activity I=E2=80=99m ready to =
trigger a discussion.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">My =
Tiger shell has sat garaged for 20yrs and I=E2=80=99ve finally started =
this week.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had prior starts as well but this time =
it=E2=80=99s real as the car is on jack stands and the tires, hood, =
trunk, windshield removed.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve saved 100=E2=80=99s of =
e-mails to word docs and have a pretty good idea of where and how I am =
going to do this.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m starting at the back of the car and =
working forward, mechanical systems only let=E2=80=99s get this car on =
the road!&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve got one of the bolt in FE from Mike H and =
get to do what I want for spindle and bolt pattern up front so the =
question is what to do with the rear end?&nbsp; Lots of info available =
on disk brakes and don=E2=80=99t think that will be too tricky.&nbsp; =
With a 5 spd conversion planned I=E2=80=99ll put in a new posi unit with =
2.73 gears.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I also have a Dan W torque arm set up to =
install and will be removing the panhard rod and traction =
masters.</div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</font></div><div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">In my notes =
though I see comments about weakness of the two piece axle.&nbsp; Sandy =
G had a custom rear end made and posted that info here<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html"; =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#0563C1" class=3D""><u =
class=3D"">http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html</u></f=
ont></a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>.&nbsp; =
I=E2=80=99ve got another e-mail saved that sums it up best from =E2=80=9Cb=
t=E2=80=9D about, =E2=80=9C<font face=3D"Consolas" class=3D"">Doane =
welded the ends off an AH 3000 onto a Dana 23 housing from a Studebaker. =
The result was a full floating axle with a one piece axle. I had a pair =
of axles made for it over 12 years ago and those are still running great =
with many thousands of high G racing miles. The advantage of the full =
floating design is that if the axle were to fail the wheel would not =
separate from the car. The LAT 43 piece looks like it would bolt onto =
the Dana 44 Tiger housing but take the outer pieces (bearings, seals) =
from the AH.</font></span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Consolas" size=3D"2" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Consolas" size=3D"2" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt;" class=3D"">The stock Tiger rear end axle design has "bugged" =
racers since inception. Last Saturday Ted Sutton stopped by the Tiger =
pits at Willow. (For those not familiar with Ted, he was the crew chief =
on the Shelby American race Tiger. He also built the first 427 Cobra.) =
His first question was, "Are these Tigers still using that silly two =
piece axle design with a key way?" We told him most are. He just shook =
his head.=E2=80=9D</span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">&nbsp;</font></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m=
 far from an expert on rear end design and options.&nbsp; =46rom what I =
read and my plans to build a high hp street car, as opposed to a full on =
race car, should I do something with the stock rear end?&nbsp; Is this =
as simple as turning up at the local 4x4 shop and at a minimum getting a =
single piece axel made?&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t want to change housing =
because I have the Dan Walter set up ready to install on the Dana =
44.&nbsp; Or is the stock axel not such a worry?</div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri" class=3D"">&nbsp;</font></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks</div><div class=3D"">dan</div><div class=3D""><font =
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