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Mike
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All opinions are welcome here.
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I personally think the 260 engine is an excellent engine for the Tiger.
=20
I'm not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I =
have no
experience with that.
=20
245 hp would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting engine hp in the
60's.
=20
I have a listing for a 1963 - 260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1
compression ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y
headers.
=20
Didn't Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over =
300 hp
with gobs of torque?
=20
Ron Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
mwood24020--- via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM
To: mwood24020@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I feel =
about
this topic, now LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: mwood24020 <mwood24020@aol.com>
To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a 260 based =
engine
in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of running =
a
stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the lower =
end
of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with not =
much
capability.
=20
The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good day, with a
tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere =
in
the 6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the =
curve.
:)
=20
Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>; Allan Ballard =
<aballard@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
Hello listers,
I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality.=20
I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my =
power
demands.
Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.
For cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes
mater.
So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with a 5 bolt 289
amended with a
302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an acceptable =
263
RWHP and comparable torque.
Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum heads =
do
spark questions.
I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the 245 horsepower
version advertised in period Tiger literature.
Allan Ballard
Atlanta, Georgia=20
On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:
In many ways it's the most fun part of it.=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Scott,
That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a =
restore
to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you
know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind =
suspension
and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, =
but
when it's happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.
Stephen Waybright
_____ =20
From: Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tom Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net>=20
Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
In my case it was mission creep.=20
Needed a throw out bearing. Pulled engine.
Thought maybe a new clutch. =20
Then, valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. =
Screw
in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.=20
At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller
would be good. =20
Gee that f4b on eBay looks nice.....
I'm sure my story is unique....
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net>
wrote:
>=20
> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 =
engine in
the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an =
original
car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the
modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no
condemnation) why the pursuit? Is it the mentioned desire for =
originality
(at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the =
quest
for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
>=20
> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a =
well
chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power =
result
for significantly less cost. Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an =
abysmal 6
cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what =
can
be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes =
against
my practical/frugal nature.
>=20
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is =
the
desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs. =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015>Mike</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>All=20
opinions are welcome here.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I=20
personally think the 260 engine is an excellent engine for the=20
Tiger.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I'm=20
not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have no =
experience with that.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>245 hp=20
would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting engine hp in =
the=20
60's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I have=20
a listing for a 1963 - 260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1 =
compression=20
ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y=20
headers.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>Didn't=20
Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300 hp =
with gobs=20
of torque?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>mwood24020--- via=20
Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
mwood24020@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Tigers] 260=20
for the 21 century<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I =
feel=20
about this topic, now LOL<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: mwood24020=20
<mwood24020@aol.com><BR>To: tigers=20
<tigers@autox.team.net><BR>Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 =
pm<BR>Subject:=20
Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<BR><BR>
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color=3Dblack face=3Darial></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a =
260 based=20
engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of =
running=20
a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the =
lower end=20
of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with =
not much=20
capability.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good day, =
with a=20
tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need =
somewhere in the=20
6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the =
curve.=20
:)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-</DIV>
<DIV>Mike</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Allan Ballard via =
Tigers=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>><BR>To=
:=20
tigers <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>>; =
Allan=20
Ballard <<A=20
=
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Sent:=20
Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21=20
century<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=3Daolmail_aolReplacedBody bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000">Hello=20
listers,<BR><BR>I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality. =
<BR><BR>I=20
wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my =
power=20
demands.<BR><BR>Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that =
happen.<BR><BR>For=20
cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes=20
mater.<BR><BR>So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced =
with a 5=20
bolt 289 amended with a<BR>302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to =
speak,=20
making an acceptable 263 RWHP and comparable torque.<BR><BR>Visually, =
few=20
people question the difference although the aluminum heads do spark=20
questions.<BR><BR>I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially =
the 245=20
horsepower version advertised in period Tiger literature.<BR><BR>Allan =
Ballard<BR>Atlanta, Georgia <BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Daolmail_aolmail_moz-cite-prefix>On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott =
Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>In many ways it's the most fun part of it. <BR><BR>Sent =
from my=20
iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gswaybright@yahoo.com";>gswaybright@yahoo.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507><SPAN=20
id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9011>That's funny =
and all to=20
true with car projects. My car started as a restore to stock =
project with=20
a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you know, it's a =
full on=20
resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other =
over the=20
top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, but when it's =
happening, each step seems like a small change of =
plan.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV =
id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8508><BR></DIV>
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id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9012>Stephen=20
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Scott=20
Hutchinson via Tigers <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>><BR><B=
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<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "<A=20
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[Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9019=20
class=3Daolmail_aolmail_y_msg_container><BR>In my case it was =
mission creep.=20
<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>Needed a throw out =
bearing. Pulled=20
engine.<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>Thought maybe a new =
clutch. <BR=20
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>Then, valve guides would be a =
good idea=20
since there is no more lead. Screw in studs are a great way to =
strengthen=20
the top end. <BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>At work a good =
friend wiped a=20
cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller would be good. <BR =
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>Gee that f4b on =
eBay looks=20
nice.....<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>I'm sure my story is =
unique....<BR=20
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>Sent from my =
iPhone<BR=20
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, =
Tom Witt via=20
Tigers <<A id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9144 =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
shape=3Drect>tigers@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:<BR =
clear=3Dnone>> <BR=20
clear=3Dnone>> I've notice over the years a desire for many to =
build (up)=20
a 260 engine in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the =
desire to=20
keep an original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer =
remains=20
original with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing =
more than=20
curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit? Is it the =
mentioned=20
desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that came in =
the car)?=20
Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260 (only)? =
Or???<BR=20
clear=3Dnone>> <BR clear=3Dnone>> The reason I ask is that =
my overly=20
practical, frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk yard roller =
cam 302=20
as producing a similar power result for significantly less =
cost. =20
Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor =
(cast-in=20
intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can be gotten out =
of that=20
with modifications. But actually doing it goes against my =
practical/frugal=20
nature.<BR clear=3Dnone>> <BR clear=3Dnone>> Anyway, just =
curious as to=20
why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the desired result. =
Especially=20
with the parts scarcity and additional costs. <BR =
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