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Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)

To: "'Smit, Theo'" <Theo.Smit@garmin.com>, "'Tod Brown'" <todbrown@roadrunner.com>, <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 09:52:53 -0400
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Theo
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    The using up existing drivelines could explain the S27KA engine in =
one
of the last 10 Mk 1A's as listed in TBON.
=20
Ron Fraser
   =20
   =20

-----Original Message-----
From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@garmin.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:18 PM
To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Tod Brown'; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)


Hi Ron,
Certainly that is the case now - if one had the original block for a =
given
Tiger, it would be worth it to sleeve the block if necessary in order to
preserve the originality for a stock restoration, rather than putting in =
a
289 for "appearance-correct" restoration.=20

In the past, though, I'm sure lots of the 260's were removed and =
discarded
even if they were running fine, just to get the extra cubes available in =
a
289 or 302.

For what it's worth regarding serial numbers, build sequence, etc: My =
Tiger
is the second-last Mk1A by VIN, and I still have the original HEH-E =
gearbox
for it with the correct (per TBON) ID number. A previous owner =
substituted a
5 bolt 289 for the 260 at some point and the original engine was gone =
long
before I got the car. It was built after they had started the Mk2 =
production
line, presumably to use up Mk1A parts. and drivelines. Any story about =
late
Mk1A Tigers with factory 289's ignores the fact that the Mk2 Tigers had =
6
bolt 289's and wide ratio HEH-CF (or HEH-B?) gearboxes, and the Rootes
production line would (should?) never have been supplied with 5-bolt 289
engines paired with close ratio HEH-E gearboxes unless Ford made a major
mistake.

Cheers,
Theo



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<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015><FONT =
size=3D3>Theo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
size=3D3>The using up=20
existing drivelines could explain the S27KA engine in one of the last 10 =
Mk 1A's=20
as listed in TBON.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015><FONT size=3D3>Ron =
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093054813-25052015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Smit, Theo=20
  [mailto:Theo.Smit@garmin.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 24, 2015 =
9:18=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Tod Brown';=20
  tigers@Autox.Team.Net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay =
(michael=20
  king)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>Hi Ron,</DIV>
  <DIV>Certainly that is the case now &#8211; if one had the original =
block for a=20
  given Tiger, it would be worth it to sleeve the block if necessary in =
order to=20
  preserve the originality for a stock restoration, rather than putting =
in a 289=20
  for &#8220;appearance-correct&#8221; restoration.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>In the past, though, I&#8217;m sure lots of the 260&#8217;s were =
removed and=20
  discarded even if they were running fine, just to get the extra cubes=20
  available in a 289 or 302.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>For what it&#8217;s worth regarding serial numbers, build =
sequence, etc: My=20
  Tiger is the second-last Mk1A by VIN, and I still have the original =
HEH-E=20
  gearbox for it with the correct (per TBON) ID number. A previous owner =

  substituted a 5 bolt 289 for the 260 at some point and the original =
engine was=20
  gone long before I got the car. It was built after they had started =
the Mk2=20
  production line, presumably to use up Mk1A parts&#8230; and =
drivelines. Any story=20
  about late Mk1A Tigers with factory 289&#8217;s ignores the fact that =
the Mk2 Tigers=20
  had 6 bolt 289&#8217;s and wide ratio HEH-CF (or HEH-B?) gearboxes, =
and the Rootes=20
  production line would (should?) never have been supplied with 5-bolt =
289=20
  engines paired with close ratio HEH-E gearboxes unless Ford made a =
major=20
  mistake.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
  <DIV>Theo</DIV>
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