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Re: gears that mesh

To: <pirouette@charter.net>
Subject: Re: gears that mesh
From: Tom Hall <modtiger@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:15:28 -0800
Sorry for the repeat but my first message was clipped. TH

At 01:55 PM 3/11/2006, you wrote:
>      O.K., time for a new thread.  Even though Bob Hokanson 
> deserves the all time 'flushing out the lurkers' award, everyone 
> glorying in their dotage is getting depressing.   Bob gets the 
> credit for this one too, since he provided the Excel sheet for 
> trans calcs on T.U. which prompts my question.
>      I'm hoping to do a 5 speed , but without a lot of experience 
> actually driving a Tiger (as contrasted with years of squirming 
> around on my back underneath one), I'm not sure what I'm seeing in 
> the numbers I get on Bob's calculator.  Steve Laifman, for one, has 
> been effusive about the advantages of the wide ratio trans in the 4 
> speed and the various 5 speeds are roughly identical in ratio to 
> this in 2nd, 3rd and 4th.  And since the .80 5th seems to be 
> relative unobtainium without greater cash outlay, I'll exclude that for now.
>      But 1st is more variable.  The drop in 1st from 2.32 to 2.78 
> made a lot of difference evidently.  The drop from 2.78 to 3.35 is 
> even greater.  Is it worth trying to fiind a 2.95 1st gear box? Is 
> dropping below the stock 2.88 rear end ratio with a 3.35 1st gear 
> box a bad idea?   My question is:  from a real world  [read 
> 'driving'] point of view, what have the 5 speed people found to be 
> good 'all around' combinations of 1st gear and rear end ratios and 
> tire size.  By 'all around' I mean something that can still 
> embarass the occasional Porsche off stop lights without hitting 6 
> grand at 10 mph and a reasonable agility in daily driving, 
> autocross, and the occasional road race  (not asking much am I?).
>      Since 5 speeds are still a relative minority, people are 
> welcome to reply off-list.  Thanks for any input!
>                                                      Chris Hill



All of the 5 speed transmissions I have sold and even the one in my 
blue Tiger are of the 2.95  first gear
variety.  This is the one you want to use.  The 3.35 is too low even 
with the 2.88 OEM gearing.  Some owners have reduced their 
differential ratios and most are happy in the 3.07 range with the 
2.95 1st gear.  Those with 3.31 or higher (numerically) find that 1st 
gear is almost unusable.  I'm talking basically about street 
operation.  For emphasis on autocross, sometimes the lower 2nd, and 
3rd gears could be an  advantage, so you have to decide on which is 
most important for your application.  The 2.95 1st gear T-5 is  very 
comparable to the wide ratio toploader on a driving basis, and you 
have the benefit of the OD gear.

I always wanted to put a 3.35 ratio T-5 in my 86 SVO Mustang, cause 
the 3.50 4 cylinder 1st gear in that car is way too low.  Another 
project still in waiting.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net




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