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Re: torque III

To: jboatri@emory.edu, spridgets@autox.team.net teamfat2.dsl.aros.net id eAGJFGe08265
Subject: Re: torque III
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:14:44 EST
Hi Jeff,

A big single SU being of variable venturi design always provides optimum gas 
speed - just the right size venturi - (assuming the correct damper spring) 
while coping with an engine breathing requirement that varies enormously from 
idle to full power, in other words it has a wide operating range.  There is 
also the point about the combustion chamber/cylinder only 'seeing' one carb 
at a time so a big single is more effect than 2 smaller carbs - I suppose the 
twin HS4 or whatever carbs ought to pay off at really high rpm/power demands 
but then again so would twin HS6/HIF44.  I haven't checked the above 
statements in Vizard or anything but I think they are correct.

I think you will find that where the power increases more than the torque, 
the rpm that the power increase is made, is further up the rpm range.

I guess the reason DV doesn't look at increasing torque over power is that he 
does not see a need to.  Remember the gearbox is there to multiply the torque 
so as long as you have some torque the gearbox looks after it.  This is the 
much over looked reason why close ratio gearboxes are such a good thing and I 
guess why motorbikes have 6 and 7 speed gearboxes (lots of power, little 
torque and spikey at that).

If you are looking for CHEAP torque then pay a vist to www.twminduction.com 
and spend some money on a good ram pipe.  Remember you can pay a brand new 
HS6 carb for #25 and while it is not as good as a HIF6/HIF44 you are spending 
a fraction of the price.  Also to make the best use of the air you are 
getting into the manifold have the manifold coated with a thermal barrier 
coating (about #35 over here - cheaper for you www.techline.com (I think).

Not least you don't need to gain torque to accelerate quicker just lose 
weight - it achieves the same thing.  Increases in torque do NOTHING (except 
where there is a power gain) to increase top speed.

Keep reading DV - I don't think you will go far, if at all wrong.

Daniel1312

In a message dated 16/11/00 14:41:36 GMT Standard Time, jboatri@emory.edu 
writes:

<< 
 OK, back to the original question. How does one increase torque 
 output on a BMC A series engine? In my case, the engine is a 1275 
 with 40 overbore and a Kent 266 cam. However, I hope that what we 
 discuss could be applicable to all spridget motors.
 
 One response was that intake gas velocity must be kept high. How does 
 one do this? Vizard, in his inimitable way, shows the use of long 
 (15+ inch) ram pipes with detailed discussion, but then mentions that 
 none of this will really work with twin SUs. I don't understand why. 
 But, is the only answer to switch to a single carb setup? As close 
 readers of his book probably know, he spends most of his effort in 
 increasing flow to increase ultimate power. Does anyone know of other 
 sources of opinion backed by real data or anecdotal experience?
 
 Also, according to Vizard's charts, it is not necessarily always true 
 that a modification that increases power at the high end results in 
 loss of torque at the low end. Several of his charts show that torque 
 often increases with flow. What does seem to occur frequently, 
 though, is that that the power increase is proportionately larger 
 than the torque increase. However, his data are all a little suspect 
 for purposes of this discussion in that his goal is nearly always to 
 increase power and let torque take care of itself; he doesn't 
 systematically study torque. Of course, some would argue that he 
 doesn't systematically study anything.
 
 Another response was to go with nitrous or increase capacity. The 
 nitrous idea would be fun but maybe hard on the engine. It may be 
 hard on the wallet. It does sound fun, though. Increasing capacity is 
 something for engine rebuild time. I have upped mine a bit (to a 
 calculated 1312 cc, I think, though the recent thread on cylinder 
 volume has me second guessing). One downside, in addition to cost and 
 time off the road, is that as the size increases, the engine does not 
 idle quite as smoothly - it's the one advantage I've ever heard 
 discussed about the 948 vs 1275.
 
 A final response was to go with supercharging. Now _that_ is 
 expensive. But, it sure seems like the way to go for increase torque 
 and power, particularly as complete, new systems can now be bought 
 off the shelf (from MM and from the group in Australia). I'd have to 
 win the lottery, though, to go this route.
 
 Anyway, there it is. I guess I'm looking for sub-$300 DIY torque 
 solutions. But mainly, I'm simply ignorant to the extreme on this 
 topic and would love to hear your thoughts on it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jeff

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