Perhaps this may help to clear up the confusion.
The Standard Vanguard 4 cylinder wet linered engine was supplied and
fitted to Ferguson T20/21 tractors.
It came in diesel versions and petrol/TVO (tractor vapourising oil)
This is the engine that is used in the TR2/3/4.
Many thousands of these tractors were manufactured in several countries
and they are still common in the UK, although people do seem to be
restoring them to concours condition.
Regards
John
At 07:19 15/06/00 -0500, Richard B Gosling wrote:
>Patrick,
>
>The SC engine was first introduced in 1951 in the Standard 8. I am not aware
> of it ever having been used in a tractor, and Standard/Triumph never made
> tractors (as far as I know). It is possible that they supplied the
> engine to
> a separate tractor manufacturer; however, it seems unlikely, as most
> tractors,
> by the 1950's, were diesel. I'm not sure exactly when manufacture of petrol
> tractors died out, but I have a feeling it was before then - in the UK, at
> least.
>
>Maybe your machine shop are just having a joke about the age and basicness of
> the engine!
>
>Richard and Daffy (doesn't sound like a tractor to me...)
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>PABowen@sar.med.navy.mil on 15Jun2000 01:05 PM
>
>To: Richard B Gosling/1M/Caterpillar@Caterpillar
>npenney@mde.state.md.us@INTERNET
>cc: spitfires@autox.team.net@INTERNET
>Subject: RE: Engine type
>Retain Until: 15/07/2000 Retention Category: G90 - Information and
> Reports
>Caterpillar Confidential: Green
>
>now I have read the history of some of the engines before but of the
> likes
>of me cannot remember. Everytime I talk to a machine shop or someone else
>they refer to the engine as a tractor engine. From my memory there was a
>Triumph engine that started out this way but I did not believe it was the
>Spitfires, could someone set me straight with this. History lesson please.
>
>Patrick Bowen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard B Gosling [mailto:Gosling_Richard_B@perkins.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:53 AM
>To: npenney
>Cc: spitfires
>Subject: Re: Engine type
>
>
>
>Nolan,
>
>The engine that ended up in the Spitfire started life fitted to the Standard
>8,
> capacity 803cc, and was known as the SC engine (for small car). It was
>bored
> out to 1147 for Mk I and II Spitfire, then stroked to 1296 for the Mk III
>and
> IV, and then 1493 for the 1500. Exactly which versions were also used in
> other cars I'm not sure - the Herald used some variation, as did
> smaller-engined Dolomites (and Toledos?), and the 1500 was used in the MG
> Midget 1500 (which had used the Austin A-series engine up to then).
>
>No doubt the likes of Graham Stretch and Andy Mace can tell you much more
>than
> I can (which is largely taken out of a page in the Moss UK catalogue)
>
>Richard and Daffy
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