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I'll add to the list of folks recommending the replacement of this laptop.
Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, with many
never-to-be-patched issues. As a last resort with this machine, you could
try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but verify hardware
support before you dive in with both feet.
Check out https://swappa.com for good used options. Be certain to get a CPU
that is supported by Windows 11. What do you need this machine to do? I am
leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs, as I'm not highly trusting of their
manufacturers. I'd stick with a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go
that route.
-Peter
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
> well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next
> to the Orbi modem
> five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with
> latency around45 ms
>
> took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb
> down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency
>
> so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me
> old and slow
>
> My Orbi is a model RBR10 app version2.42.0.56
>
> firmware version v2.7.3.22
>
> I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a
> refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems
> they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form
> factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way
>
> if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears
>
> thanks for all the input
> john
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
> ------------------------------
> As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.
> Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.
>
> The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a
> designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of
> 802.11ac.
>
> Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps,
> and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.
>
> The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port
> built in. So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tri=
ed
> to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be
> limited to what the older laptop can manage.
>
> It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of
> 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still
> sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the
> latest versions
>
> Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it
> would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the
> Toshiba. Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best u=
se
> of funds.... (e.g. TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, b=
ut
> the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)
>
> If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,
>
> here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
> https://a.co/d/am8aVRV
>
> All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.
>
> --Miq
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wro=
te:
>
>> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
>> garage/shop. First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit =
for
>> distance and slow and intermittent. Next went with power line adapters =
and
>> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
>> wanted...
>>
>> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
>> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master b=
ox
>> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>>
>> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
>> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
>> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
>> which is my primary shop machine. Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
>> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
>> slower? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
>> years out of the business. Can someone with current knowledge tell me i=
f
>> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way =
to
>> get better wireless speed on the laptop? or is that just the nature of
>> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options t=
o
>> run win 10.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>> John
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I'll add to the list of folks recommending the replace=
ment of this laptop. Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, =
with many never-to-be-patched issues. As a last=C2=A0resort with this machi=
ne, you could try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but ver=
ify hardware support before you dive in with both feet.<div><br></div><div>=
Check out <a href=3D"https://swappa.com";>https://swappa.com</a> for good us=
ed options. Be certain to get a CPU that is supported by Windows 11. What d=
o you need this machine to do? I am leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs,=
as I'm not highly trusting of their manufacturers. I'd stick with =
a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go that route.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=
=AFPM john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net";>jniolon@att.net</a=
>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">well that is an unusual development... moved t=
he laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a=
little less upload with latency around45 ms</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">took it back to the shop sitting next to the s=
atellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency</font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">so I'm assuming it's just my old slow =
laptop as ya'll say...just like me=C2=A0 old and slow</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">My Orbi is a model RBR10=C2=A0=C2=A0 app versi=
on2.42</font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">.0.56</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">firmware version v2.7.3.22</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I've started looking online for refurbed u=
nits... I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years =
with no problems</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">they are getting cheaper every day... and I=
9;ve got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just=
go that way</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">if ya'll have any suggestions on the refur=
bs... I'm all ears</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">=C2=A0=C2=A0 thanks for all the input</font></=
div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>From:</b> MIQ MILLMAN <<a href=3D"mailto:miq@bigllama.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">miq@bigllama.com</a>></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>To:</b> john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.net</a>></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Cc:</b> shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Sent:</b> 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";font-weight:n=
ormal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal">
<div dir=3D"ltr">As others have said, the old laptop is probably running wi=
thin=C2=A0specs.=C2=A0 Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 =
mbps.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a desi=
gnation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 8=
02.11ac.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps=
, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port=
built in.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire sol=
ution" and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi,=
you would still be limited to what the older laptop=C2=A0can manage.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable =
of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still s=
ell/support the older=C2=A0versions, and the price is rather steep for the =
latest versions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, i=
t would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the =
Toshiba.=C2=A0 Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the bes=
t use of funds.... (e.g.=C2=A0 TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB =
a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,=C2=
=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zo=
n:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aVRV"; target=3D"_blank">https://a.co/d/am=
8aVRV</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>=C2=A0 --Miq<br>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div></div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AF=
AM john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">jni=
olon@att.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet connecti=
vity in my detached garage/shop.=C2=A0 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it w=
as right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.=C2=A0 Next we=
nt with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...=
speed was still slower than I wanted...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy=
stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g=
arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the=
modem.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g=
reat (350-375 MB)=C2=A0to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou=
se or in the garage.=C2=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh=
iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.=C2=A0 Best spe=
ed I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+=
.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wire=
less card that is old and slower?=C2=A0 Everything I knew about computers i=
s old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.=C2=A0 Can someone wi=
th current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in t=
he laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?=C2=
=A0 or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW=C2=A0the laptop=C2=
=A0is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">John</font></div></div>_______________________=
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