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You'll get no argument from me. I just find it a bit disingenuous that 
some say 'absolutely only exactly six years' when there is so much 
difference between brands, type of tire, compound, usage, etc. Some 
brands--many are now made in you-know-where--I wouldn't use for six 
days. Sticky, warm weather-only performance tires lose grip over time, 
but the hard rubber compound on big bias-ply truck tires can go for a 
while (don't get me started on re-caps; I've seen too many in the middle 
of the road). There was another issue a few years ago, where I think 
Goodyear trailer tires were being used on large, heavy RVs. The outcome 
was predictable.

Also, OP only said 'had the same tires since 2019;' were they installed 
new three years ago, or did OP just buy the vehicle three years ago? 
There is (should be) a DOT date code on the tires (if there isn't, chuck 
them NOW). The tires could have sat in a hot warehouse for a couple 
years, and that has to be considered. My goto is Michelin, but I've got 
sets of other brands on a couple vehicles that I don't hate.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?gclid=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE&techid=11&ef_id=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!354820920605!e!!g!!how%20to%20read%20tire%20dates&gclsrc=aw.ds




On 8/29/2022 3:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> I just replaced a set of trailer tires that had less than 2500 miles 
> on them because they were ten years old and definitely showing it.
>
> I consider tires to be like oil - they should be changed at a mileage 
> or time interval, whichever comes first. It's just something you have 
> to budget for.
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 02:04 Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     re: "How many years can a set of tires go ..."
>
>     Subject to debate, and how the tires are maintained. Some--often
>     people who make and sell tires--insist six years is the limit,
>     regardless of mileage, and if the tires are constantly exposed to
>     extreme weather and mileage that's not unreasonable. OTOH, if the
>     tires are kept in a garage not subject to temperature extremes and
>     are only used 'around town' you can usually go more, 7 or 8 years
>     wouldn't be too risky. At any rate, going beyond 10 years is
>     pushing your luck.
>
>     BUT ... for an SUV I'd be more cautious and probably observe the
>     6-year 'rule.' SUVs and other trucks are top heavy and a
>     catastrophic failure--i.e. a blowout--esp. on a front tire can
>     cause the vehicle to roll over. Ford just got slapped with a $1B+
>     liability charge for an old truck that had a blowout, rolled, and
>     the cab squashed the elderly occupants. A couple decades ago Ford
>     got slammed when some incorrect, improperly inflated Firestone
>     tires--Ford and Firestone go WAY back--caused some fatal rollover
>     accidents with some Explorers.
>
>     My rule of thumb: If I find myself worrying about my tires, it's
>     time for new. Your tires are only three years (+/-) old and,
>     unless they're showing 'checking'--cracking--or other damage they
>     should be good for at least a couple more years. Check your tire
>     pressures regularly (at least once a month).
>
>
>
>     On 8/28/2022 9:19 PM, Shannah Miller wrote:
>>     Thank you, Ian, for commenting to the group.  I will
>>     need tires at some point, and that's good to know.
>>
>>     That said, my car is the spare car of the family, and
>>     has had the same tires since 2019.  How many years
>>     can a set of tires go if they are just mostly used to
>>     putt around town?  (My car has not quite 10,000 miles
>>     on it.)
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Shannah
>>
>>     On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 7:20 PM Ian McFetridge
>>     <shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org> wrote:
>>
>>         I have had the Michelin Defender LTX on my pickup since fall
>>         2020 and they are wearing well, ride smooth and quiet.  Iâ??ve
>>         used Michelins on trucks since I worked in the tire dept at
>>         Samâ??s in college.  They always took the least amount of
>>         weights to balance and had the least returns for issues or to
>>         rebalance.  The manager at Costco said that is all still true
>>         when I bought the last set. YMMV :)
>>
>>         Best
>>         Ian
>>
>>         On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 8:03 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>             shop content... I drive my suburban into my shop
>>             time for tires... always used Michelin for the last 20
>>             years with good service... Vehicle is 2008 Suburban 1500
>>             with 95% highway or town ...no off road
>>             occasional towing my hobby truck to shows on 20' car
>>             hauler (once or twice a year with load equalizing
>>             hitch...)  Looking at reviews on my first choice Michelin
>>             Defender LTX/MS
>>             275/55-20.   The reviews talk a lot about road noise and
>>             rough ride..... My current Michelin Defenders  (bought in
>>             Jan 2016 ride smooth and wear well.. 76K miles on them so
>>             far)
>>             I just turned 75 and this might be my last set of tires
>>             Grinning Face with Smiling Eyes � so I'm looking for your
>>             thoughts on Michelin or others afa mileage, ride, noise etc.
>>             thanks
>>             john
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    You'll get no argument from me. I just find it a bit disingenuous
    that some say 'absolutely only exactly six years' when there is so
    much difference between brands, type of tire, compound, usage, etc.
    Some brands--many are now made in you-know-where--I wouldn't use for
    six days. Sticky, warm weather-only performance tires lose grip over
    time, but the hard rubber compound on big bias-ply truck tires can
    go for a while (don't get me started on re-caps; I've seen too many
    in the middle of the road). There was another issue a few years ago,
    where I think Goodyear trailer tires were being used on large, heavy
    RVs. The outcome was predictable.<br>
    <br>
    Also, OP only said 'had the same tires since 2019;' were they
    installed new three years ago, or did OP just buy the vehicle three
    years ago? There is (should be) a DOT date code on the tires (if
    there isn't, chuck them NOW). The tires could have sat in a hot
    warehouse for a couple years, and that has to be considered. My goto
    is Michelin, but I've got sets of other brands on a couple vehicles
    that I don't hate.<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?gclid=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE&amp;techid=11&amp;ef_id=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE:G:s&amp;s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!354820920605!e!!g!!how%20to%20read%20tire%20dates&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds";>https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?gclid=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE&amp;techid=11&amp;ef_id=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oe95O0cze_5curJnnU0hi2ck6SdvdojfgqLT7SaN3OaiNACn8-PPx_hoCyEoQAvD_BwE:G:s&amp;s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!354820920605!e!!g!!how%20to%20read%20tire%20dates&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds</a><br>
    <br>
    <br>
     <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2022 3:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAO8Q7CPbvk37whpm9YV=Dktmutt6NBn7kVd1SeoCuQjVz5Uznw@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto">I just replaced a set of trailer tires that had
        less than 2500 miles on them because they were ten years old and
        definitely showing it.  
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I consider tires to be like oil - they should be
          changed at a mileage or time interval, whichever comes first. 
          It's just something you have to budget for.</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 02:04
          Bob Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div> re: "How many years can a set of tires go ..."<br>
            <br>
            Subject to debate, and how the tires are maintained.
            Some--often people who make and sell tires--insist six years
            is the limit, regardless of mileage, and if the tires are
            constantly exposed to extreme weather and mileage that's not
            unreasonable. OTOH, if the tires are kept in a garage not
            subject to temperature extremes and are only used 'around
            town' you can usually go more, 7 or 8 years wouldn't be too
            risky. At any rate, going beyond 10 years is pushing your
            luck.<br>
            <br>
            BUT ... for an SUV I'd be more cautious and probably observe
            the 6-year 'rule.' SUVs and other trucks are top heavy and a
            catastrophic failure--i.e. a blowout--esp. on a front tire
            can cause the vehicle to roll over. Ford just got slapped
            with a $1B+ liability charge for an old truck that had a
            blowout, rolled, and the cab squashed the elderly occupants.
            A couple decades ago Ford got slammed when some incorrect,
            improperly inflated Firestone tires--Ford and Firestone go
            WAY back--caused some fatal rollover accidents with some
            Explorers.<br>
            <br>
            My rule of thumb: If I find myself worrying about my tires,
            it's time for new. Your tires are only three years (+/-) old
            and, unless they're showing 'checking'--cracking--or other
            damage they should be good for at least a couple more years.
            Check your tire pressures regularly (at least once a month).<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 8/28/2022 9:19 PM, Shannah Miller wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Thank you, Ian, for commenting to the group.  I
                  will</div>
                <div>need tires at some point, and that's good to know.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>That said, my car is the spare car of the family,
                  and</div>
                <div>has had the same tires since 2019.  How many years</div>
                <div>can a set of tires go if they are just mostly used
                  to</div>
                <div>putt around town?  (My car has not quite 10,000
                  miles</div>
                <div>on it.)<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Thanks,</div>
                <div>Shannah<br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28, 2022
                  at 7:20 PM Ian McFetridge &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org";
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
                  0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div dir="auto">I have had the Michelin Defender LTX
                    on my pickup since fall 2020 and they are wearing
                    well, ride smooth and quiet.  Iâ??ve used Michelins on
                    trucks since I worked in the tire dept at Samâ??s in
                    college.  They always took the least amount of
                    weights to balance and had the least returns for
                    issues or to rebalance.  The manager at Costco said
                    that is all still true when I bought the last set. 
                    YMMV :)</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Best </div>
                  <div dir="auto">Ian</div>
                  <div><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28,
                        2022 at 8:03 PM john niolon &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:jniolon@att.net"; target="_blank"
                          rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
                        0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                        <div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">shop content... I
                              drive my suburban into my shop</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">time for tires...
                              always used Michelin for the last 20 years
                              with good service... Vehicle is 2008
                              Suburban 1500 with 95% highway or town
                              ...no off road</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">occasional towing
                              my hobby truck to shows on 20' car hauler
                              (once or twice a year with load equalizing
                              hitch...)  Looking at reviews on my first
                              choice Michelin Defender LTX/MS</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">275/55-20.   The
                              reviews talk a lot about road noise and
                              rough ride..... My current Michelin
                              Defenders  (bought in Jan 2016 ride smooth
                              and wear well.. 76K miles on them so 
far)</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">I just turned 75
                              and this might be my last set of tires  <img
                                alt="Grinning Face with Smiling Eyes"
                                src="cid:part1.BCNdxLKL.UPuEd01i@comcast.net"
style="width:24px;max-width:100%;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                                moz-do-not-send="true" align="absMiddle"> �
                              so I'm looking for your thoughts on
                              Michelin or others afa mileage, ride,
                              noise etc.</font></div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                          <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
                        </div>
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