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Re: [Shop-talk] attic fan switches (does this exist?)

To: Bruce Bubeck <bbubeck01@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] attic fan switches (does this exist?)
From: Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:37:56 -0400
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Bruce-

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't thought about any rating further than the
typical residential lighting load when I grabbed the switch from the
contractor box of 10. I'm certain it was a bog-standard 2 horsepower
switch, though. I don't believe the motor is over 1/3 hp.

-Peter

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:50 AM Bruce Bubeck <bbubeck01@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter,
> Not sure if this was mentioned already but make sure that whatever switch
> you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of those switches a=
re
> only rated for lighting loads.
> Bruce
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our
>> upstairs hallway. When I don't want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it
>> off.
>>
>> My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat that came with
>> it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too broad,
>> because it'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days o=
f
>> 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees=
,
>> and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch back on?)
>>
>> I know, Pat's heart bleeds for me.
>>
>> I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated,
>> but writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and
>> self-employment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wav=
e
>> devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardwar=
e.
>>
>> The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting
>> when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper
>> solution is to improve my insulation up there!
>>
>> -Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like =
a
>>> controller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a
>>> controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.
>>>
>>> If you want the x-10 to override  the thermostat so that the fan runs
>>> until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the control=
ler
>>> & wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Pat Horne
>>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB=BFI have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic switch.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if there was a way that I can have it on a  thermostati=
c
>>> switch AND a remote switch (like X-10)
>>>
>>> What happens is that  I want to turn on the fan on some nights or days,
>>> but it isn't hot enough to trigger it to go off.  If I reduce the
>>> temperature setting, it stays on most on the time.
>>>
>>> But I do want it to go on if it gets too hot when I'm not home.
>>>
>>> Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out
>>> how to wire 2 separate switches safely to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Mule
>>>
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."
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bruce-<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the tip. I hadn&#39;t=
 thought about any rating further than the typical residential lighting loa=
d when I grabbed the switch from the contractor box of 10. I&#39;m certain =
it was a bog-standard 2 horsepower switch, though. I don&#39;t believe the =
motor is over 1/3 hp.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 31, =
2020 at 7:50 AM Bruce Bubeck &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bbubeck01@gmail.com";>bbu=
beck01@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Peter,</div></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Not sure if this was mentioned already but make sure that=
 whatever switch you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of t=
hose switches are only rated for lighting loads.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Bru=
ce</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Peter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:peterwmurray@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">peterwmurray@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermosta=
t, in our upstairs hallway. When I don&#39;t want to hear the fan at 11pm, =
I switch it off.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has the st=
andard mechanical thermostat that came with it. I think I set it a hair too=
 low, or the hysteresis is too broad, because it&#39;ll still be running at=
 11pm. Then again, we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here in Northern Virginia.=
 It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm=
, did I turn the switch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div><div>I know, Pat&#39;s=
 heart bleeds for me.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I like the =
idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but writing A=
rduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-employment=
 will allow. I&#39;m looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices, but=
 need to do more research before I start spending on hardware.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The problem I&#39;d had was that I wanted the fan to run to re=
duce melting when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, t=
he proper solution is to improve my insulation up there!</div><div><br></di=
v><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; target=3D"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be=
 using like a controller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If =
you have a controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>If you want the x-10 to override =C2=A0the thermosta=
t so that the fan runs until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a rel=
ay into the controller &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the the=
rmostat.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br=
></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"m=
ailto:eric@megageek.com" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a> wrote:<br>=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I =
have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that =C2=A0I want =
to
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn&#39;t hot enough to trig=
ger
it to go off.=C2=A0 If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it ge=
ts
too hot when I&#39;m not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the=
 market?
=C2=A0I also couldn&#39;t figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Mule<br>
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