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Sorry for the long delay. We lost internet service for a few days right =
after Neil sent this note and I forgot all about this when it returned. =
Neil asked a really good question: =E2=80=9CWhy you would want fog & =
spot lights on together?=E2=80=9D
I am ashamed to admit that I never really gave this much serious =
thought. My unsatisfactory answer is that there was a period switch =
available to do this and I wanted the functionality of that switch =
without the looks* of it. However, now that Neil asks the question, I =
am left wondering if this is really worth it. I live near the coast and =
a fog light would be nice, and there are times when I would love to have =
the addition of a driving light, but would I ever really want them both =
on? I assume there must be a good reason, since 1) Wipac made the =
switches for a while and 2) they seem to be a desirable accessory for =
many classic car owners. Can anyone here give me a good reason why I =
should go to the trouble of wiring the lights so that both can be used =
at once?
Thanks, and thanks to Neil for making me step back and consider this.
Jim
*Someone asked me for a photo of that switch outside the group =
discussion. For anyone else who is interested, you can see pictures =
here: wipac rallyman switch =
<https://www.google.com/search?rls=3Den&source=3Duniv&tbm=3Disch&q=3Dwipac=
+rallyman+switch&client=3Dsafari&sa=3DX&ved=3D2ahUKEwiMgqbumqzpAhXKl3IEHd3=
SAxsQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=3D1440&bih=3D728>
> On May 1, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Neil Sherry via Shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Should work, I think. Just connect the first one to one light and the =
input of the second, then the other light to the output of the second =
relay.
> What you are doing is effectively binary counting, stepping with each =
successive press of the switch:
> 00
> 01
> 10
> 11
> 00
> =E2=80=A6
> Although I would question why you would want fog & spot lights on =
together =E2=80=93 I wpuld have thought one or the other =E2=80=93 =
it=E2=80=99s either foggy and you want the wide flat short beam or clear =
and you want the narrow longer throw.
> Neil
> =20
> =20
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jeff =
Scarbrough via Shop-talk
> Sent: 01 May 2020 01:56
> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:47 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk =
>>=20
>> Does anyone know if such a relay exists? If not, is there a simple =
circuit that would make a standard relay work as described?
> =20
> If I recall correctly, a pair of old VW headlight dimming relays =
would be a period-correct solution. Grounding the relay by pulling on =
the turn signal lever would flip-flop the relay between high beam and =
low beam. Or, in your case, on or off. The old relays had to have the =
headlights on to power them, you would need to figure out how to remind =
yourself to turn the lights off or use a relay on the ignition wire to =
control the power.
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> Or, use one of them high-falutin' electronic gadgets...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Sorry=
for the long delay. We lost internet service for a few days right =
after Neil sent this note and I forgot all about this when it returned. =
Neil asked a really good question: =E2=80=9CW<span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">hy=
you would want fog & spot lights on together?</span><font =
face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14.666666984558105px;" class=3D"">=E2=80=9D</span></font><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri, =
sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" =
class=3D"">I am ashamed to admit that I never really gave this =
much serious thought. My unsatisfactory answer is that there =
was a period switch available to do this and I wanted the functionality =
of that switch without the looks* of it. However, now that =
Neil asks the question, I am left wondering if this is really worth it. =
I live near the coast and a fog light would be nice, and there are =
times when I would love to have the addition of a driving light, but =
would I ever really want them both on? I assume there must be a =
good reason, since 1) Wipac made the switches for a while and 2) =
they seem to be a desirable accessory for many classic car owners. =
Can anyone here give me a good reason why I should go to the =
trouble of wiring the lights so that both can be used at =
once?</span></font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri, =
sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14.666666984558105px;" class=3D"">Thanks, and thanks to Neil for =
making me step back and consider this.</span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Calibri, =
sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" =
class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""></span></font><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>*Someone asked me for a =
photo of that switch outside the group discussion. For anyone else =
who is interested, you can see pictures here: <a =
href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?rls=3Den&source=3Duniv&tbm=3D=
isch&q=3Dwipac+rallyman+switch&client=3Dsafari&sa=3DX&ved=3D=
2ahUKEwiMgqbumqzpAhXKl3IEHd3SAxsQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=3D1440&bih=3D728"=
class=3D"">wipac rallyman switch</a></div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote=
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 1, 2020, at 2:39 PM, =
Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Should work, I think. Just connect the first one to one light =
and the input of the second, then the other light to the output of the =
second relay.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight:=
normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">What you are doing is =
effectively binary counting, stepping with each successive press of the =
switch:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: =
normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">00<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">01<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">10<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">11<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">00<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">=E2=80=A6<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#ff2600" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Although I =
would question why you would want fog & spot lights on together =E2=80=
=93 I wpuld have thought one or the other =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s either =
foggy and you want the wide flat short beam or clear and you want the =
narrow longer throw.</b></font><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">Neil<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; =
border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: =
rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeff Scarbrough =
via Shop-talk<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>01 May 2020 01:56<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] Fog and =
Driving Lights<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
style=3D"font-weight: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-weight: =
normal;"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at =
5:47 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style:=
none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; =
margin-right: 0cm;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Does anyone know if such a relay exists? =
If not, is there a simple circuit that would make a standard relay work =
as described?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><div=
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""> If I recall correctly, a pair of old VW headlight =
dimming relays would be a period-correct solution. Grounding the =
relay by pulling on the turn signal lever would flip-flop the relay =
between high beam and low beam. Or, in your case, on or off. =
The old relays had to have the headlights on to power them, you would =
need to figure out how to remind yourself to turn the lights off or use =
a relay on the ignition wire to control the power.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Or, use one of them high-falutin' electronic gadgets...<o:p =
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