LOL.... Now I'm a geek simply because I use MS products. God how I love the
stereotypes. Martin, I don't recall you simply saying "when I mentioned one
could get a bit of added security by not using MS Outlook" What I see in
your original (and all follow up posts) is someoe who has had his feelings
hurt because everybody didn't jump on his anti MS bandwagon. And of course
this is immediately followed by the name calling which you have been using.
Now to clarify my point of view for Martin, and all the avid readers
following this waste of bandwidth, I never said that you couldn't get a bit
more security from some other products, I said that there are security
problems related to all products that I am familiar with. You also have the
trade offs related to user friendliness with some of these applications. But
enough of this anyway. No one cares. And it will take a lot more than
anything Martin can say to "touch a nerve" as he so states. Oh well...
LBC content. I mentioned yesterday about a orange B that was for sale in my
area. To be hinest I laughed when I saw tha asking price. The price is
$5800, it's a 74 B (I think I said 73 yesterday) It needs some interior work
and there is a small dent under the r/r tail light. If anyone is still
interested I have the owners tel # but I have not talked to him. So if you
need further details, you'd have to call him/her.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mgs@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-mgs@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:08 AM
> To: gregbass@atlantadental.com
> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Virus (OT)
>
>
> A while back there was the Love bug and Melissa viruses.
> They were spread when an unsuspecting
> person viewed an infected e-mail with MS Outlook.
> Not open an attachement, just viewed the message mind you.
> The mechanism used
> was the automatic execution of a macro. No other mail client has
> this mechanism. Thus these viruses can only be spread by MS Outlook.
> This macro mechanism is turned on by default. To blame
> the average user for not knowing to turn off this obscure
> preference seams a bit of a cheap
> shot. Not all of us follow all the latest MS Security bulletins as
> you do Greg. But then your response is typical of a geek
>
> I touched a nerve of yours and your many fellow geeks on the list
> when I mentioned one could get a bit of added security
> by not using MS Outlook. Doing so helped me
> avoid the above viruses. I was amongst
> the non-geeks that did not know to
> turn off the automatic macros. At least I didn't during
> the outbreak of the above viruses.
> However, it did not matter because I
> had protected myself by not using MS Office.
> Several geeks such as yourself
> told me can do this
> and that, install this patch and that and in
> doing so you could make MS Outlook secure.
> I don't doubt you a bit. However I would rather
> spend time under the hood
> of my various LBCs than following the
> latest security bulletins on the Microsoft site.
>
> As far as flames go, one geek named Tim claimed he
> knew more about
> MGs than me because he has a Healey and also
> I only have two hits on the MG list archive search engine
> and he had 99. First of all everyone knows
> the archive search function doesn't work right.
> Second I've never claimed to know more about
> MGs than any Healey owner.
> I have received spam that
> had a disclaimer saying "this isn't spam".
> So you are saying the same applies to flames.
> You're the geek. I will defer to your expertise.
>
> I think you and Tim and the other geeks on this list
> should form your own list.
> Call it "geeks-with-mgs". You can talk amongst yourselves
> about your great knowledge of Microsoft products.
> To me a computer is a tool just
> like a socket wrench. And I would rather use a socket
> wrench on my MGs than MS Outlook on my computer.
> You and your fellow geeks obviously feal the opposite.
> Now point your browser to
> www.Microsoft.com
> and quit wasting my time.
>
>
> Greg Bass wrote:
>
> > Sorry for a late response but I didn't check my MS Outlook
> yesterday since I
> > was out of the office. :-) anyway...
> >
> > I don't believe anyone has flamed you for your choices. But
> your analogy is
> > the same as blaming the sun for people getting sun burn.
> Don't they have
> > some responsibility in that they should take preventive
> measures? the other
> > thing that you fail to realize is that most people have no
> control over the
> > software that they use in an office environment. The
> company dictates that
> > and they don't allow the user to pick and choose at will,
> for a bunch of
> > very good reasons. There are some issues with MS products,
> but there are
> > issues with EVERY software that I am familiar with! We use
> MS products
> > extensively in my company. There are also very strict,
> thourough antivirus
> > proceedures in place. Additionally a usage policy for all
> computers must be
> > adhered to by all operators. In my 2 years here we have
> never had a virus
> > infection on anuy of our 400 or so workstations and
> servers. Oh, by the way
> > I am the system admin for the network so I have first hand
> knowledge of
> > this.
> >
> > Anyway blame is with the user (and not with the software,)
> hackers and the
> > people who write the virus in the first place. And failing
> to place the
> > responsibility where it belongs in book is a cardinal sin
> and of late it
> > also seems to be government policy! ;-) 'nuff said.
> >
> > Greg
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