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From: "Clive Sherriff" <clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:14:05 -0000
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I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) about the question of =
originality.

Go to a premier vintage event and look at the cars.  Immaculate. Now go =
to the archives and look at what they were like new.

This is particularly evident with race cars.  Look at the immaculate =
Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today for example.  =
Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s.  Pooly finished and =
dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once had to strip =
the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit at one =
race !

Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily available, I carefully =
measured up every original car that came through the workshop thinking =
to reproduce them. =20

There were large differences in the dimensions of the body panels and =
woodwork.  I decided it was not worth the bother, and soon after Naylors =
started making bodies and I ducked out.

Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear wings are =
not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC type in many =
ways.  Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all that are =
available today are the late TC ones.  And this applies to many other =
parts. =20

This does make a difference though even if you don't know it.   Most =
people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up of =
Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking cars. =
 They will not be able to tell you why.  It's due to the cutaway of the =
front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b) =
supposedly to cut down rain spray.   The TA/TB were designed form =
Ascetic values, the TC from economic values.   Many ta/tb owners will =
have TC front and wings and not know it.

If you want to drive about in a tarted up concours trailer queen then do =
it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars should have =
points deducted for non original finish.

Clive
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]=20
  To: mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com ; 'Norman Golm' ; =
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  Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com=20
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number 7547


   =20

  So, we should refer to TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the =
car as original as possible? Is this the answer to the argument?=20


  Norman Verona

  La Foie, 49520, Noellet, France

  Tel: 0033 (0)2 41 92 73 44

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) =
about the=20
question of originality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Go to a premier vintage event and look at the =
cars.&nbsp;=20
Immaculate. Now go to the archives and look at what they were=20
like&nbsp;new.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This is particularly evident with race =
cars.&nbsp; Look at=20
the immaculate Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today =
for=20
example.&nbsp; Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s.&nbsp; =
Pooly=20
finished and dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once =
had to=20
strip the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit =
at one=20
race !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily =
available, I=20
carefully measured up every original car that came through the workshop =
thinking=20
to reproduce them.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There were large differences in the dimensions =
of the body=20
panels and woodwork.&nbsp; I decided it was not worth the bother, and =
soon after=20
Naylors started making bodies and I ducked out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Even something as apparently simple as the late =
TA TB TC=20
rear wings are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the =
TC type=20
in many ways.&nbsp; Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all =
that=20
are available today are the late TC ones.&nbsp; And this applies to many =
other=20
parts.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This does make a difference though even if you =
don't know=20
it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from =
a=20
frontal line up of Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the =
nicer=20
looking cars.&nbsp; They will not be able to tell you why.&nbsp; It's =
due to the=20
cutaway of the front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money =
and b)=20
supposedly to cut down rain spray.&nbsp;&nbsp; The TA/TB were designed =
form=20
Ascetic values, the TC from economic values.&nbsp;&nbsp; Many ta/tb =
owners will=20
have TC front and wings and not know it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If you want to drive about in a tarted up =
concours trailer=20
queen then do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars =
should=20
have points deducted for non original finish.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Clive</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dmg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:norman@frenchblat.com%20[mg-tabc]";>'Norman Verona'=20
  norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:mark.robinson250gt@btinternet.com";>mark.robinson250gt@btin=
ternet.com</A>=20
  ; <A title=3Dncgolm@gmail.com href=3D"mailto:ncgolm@gmail.com";>'Norman =
Golm'</A> ;=20
  <A title=3Dnotify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:notify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com";>notify-dg-mg-tabc@yahoo=
groups.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com";>mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 04, 2016 =
1:15=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [mg-tabc] Digest =
Number=20
  7547</DIV>
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  refer to TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the car as =
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  possible? Is this the answer to the argument? <O></O></SPAN></P>
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  Verona<O></O></SPAN></B></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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  49520, Noellet, France<O></O></SPAN></U></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
14pt">Tel: 0033=20
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