LSR Street Roadsters must have rear fenders that's a for-gone conclusion.
Don't believe its a topic that could be debated successfully or that you
will find much interest in making a change to remove the rear fenders from
the class.
Generally speaking the majority of us racers aren't lawyers, so some times
the rules aren't as clear as we would all like them to be. And some times
because of history and tradition we assume more than is actually there.
Example, if you check the definition of 'panel' in the dictionary it in no
way describes a fender as any of us know it.
My suggestion would be to ad the three words "rear fenders required"
somewhere in the 2002 rule book and eliminate the controversy. It will
definitely go into the ECTA book.
John Beckett
----- Original Message -----
From: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
To: <speedtimer@charter.net>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Roadster / List rules
> I am not roughed up any more than i wanted to be. i am glad i stimulated
> some conversation and controversy. to be honest with the list, i have to
> bolt my mouth shut sometimes. safety wire, zip locks, lok -tite just
doesnt
> do it. The fact that something has been done a certain way, for ever,
> whatever, just makes me want to do it differently. because. its like the
> sign that says "no fishing" all u want to do after you read that is to go
> fishing RIGHT there, even if there is a reason to not fish there. u know
> what i mean. i think it is mans nature. dont eat the apple. dont run
without
> fenders (panels sic.)....it all comes from the same root!!
> the nature of street roadsters has changed alot. not by definition of the
> SCTA but by what can be run on the street. I think a very lowered street
> roadster should be allowed to run the lakes if it meets all the safety
> requirments. why does it need fenders. u wouldnt run them on the street.
you
> can get your car lower without them. u can run different tire combos...u
get
> the idea. So if i am in it for the creativity, of being able to do what i
> want within certain very limited parameters then i should build a
> streamliner. The box, for certain classes is there for a reason. if the
> envelope cannot be pushed, in order to save old records, or keep all on
the
> same playing field, then i may choose another game in the future. But
like
> someone said on the list, we praised SMOKEY YUNICK for his creative
> interpretation of the rule book!
>
> I think i was hoping to hear, "yes it is vague, but u need fenders and
this
> is how it will be interpreted at cert time"." and in the future we will
look
> into it and may clarify the rules." i think i did finally hear that from
the
> list.
> I would also like to raise the issue of fenders being required on street
> roadsters to be re- examined. My car came off the street. i have lites a
> license etc, but i dont have any fenders or panels. U know what i am
saying.
> My car is a street roadster. i dont think u could define it any other
way.
> i could drive it to the lakes if i wanted to be stuck in the cage for 6
> hours!!! ( i should be able to do it i work for 8-10 each day).
> Would street roaadsters go faster without them? who knows. but u may
venture
> a yes ,cause the fenders are a limiting factor when setting things
up,(which
> i know u are all aware of). Just to be a smart ass....comes easy to
me....
> we should have E.P.A. ratings on the street cars and classify the cars
that
> way.Gas guzzlers and econmy roadsters. Then i would have to be able to
make
> a blown big block chevy get good mileage to get in the economy class.... i
> am loosing it here. time for the zip lock... and purple fire suit..keith
> where are u when i need you!!!lol.
>
> >From: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>
> >To: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
> >CC: "landspeed@autox.team.net" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> >Subject: Re: Roadster / List rules
> >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:20:12 -0700
> >
> >Hey Tim
> >Sure hope we didn't rough you up to much on the fender deal. It's been
that
> >way since the early 70s. I think Dan's note today may have helped you
> >understand why. Over the years things change and some get lost. We have a
> >new policy and a better way to control things of this nature starting
this
> >year. It's more work on our part but the computer makes it easier to put
> >into some kind of data base.
> >
> >A lot of the board members present and past still stay involved and try
to
> >sort out many of the issues that come up like the fenders. I don't think
> >any
> >of us make statements we can't back up. There are lots of rules to be
> >written and re written each year to better clarify them. It's not easy
for
> >the rules people to always put the words down so everyone gets the same
> >meaning.
> >
> >Keep on building Tim.
> >Glen
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "tim cunha" <tfc1932@hotmail.com>
> >To: <kturk@ala.net>; <speedtimer@charter.net>; <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> ><land-speed@autox.team.net>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:06 PM
> >Subject: Re: Roadster / List rules
> >
> >
> > >
> > > i agree with you keith. and if i have been rude or offensive i did not
> >mean
> > > to be so and i am sorry. I am willing to go along with tradition, i
know
> > > this sport is ripe with it. If there are unwritten traditions that
> >affect
> > > racers or newbies who are going on a limb to build a car and fulfill
a
> > > dream, then is it fair to them to be held to the unwritten traditions
> >or
> > > assumed rules? If it is not defined that i need to have fenders i
could
> >save
> > > myself some time and MONEY not thinking about rear fenders. If i show
up
> >at
> > > the lakes without fenders, i drove 6 hours in my van, that gets
> >12mpg,with
> > > my trailer and kids, to have fun racing in the dirt, and then to be
told
> >i
> > > could not run cause i dont have fenders that are "required" as per
> > > tradition? that is what this is about for me. We all talk about
> >fairness,
> > > honesty, etc... but when challenged and questioned, there is no
logic,
> >no
> > > proof, no rule... other than that is how it is. I am sorry that is
> >difficult
> > > for me. That is what rule books are for, to tell us the rules.`There
is
> >not
> > > a book of traditions that will be published sometime soon is there?
> > >
> > > >From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > >To: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>, "tim cunha"
> > > ><tfc1932@hotmail.com>, <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>,
<land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >Subject: Roadster / List rules
> > > >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:43:13 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Tim your absolutely correct in the application and use of this
list...
> >it's
> > > >to ask Just exactly that sorta question.... The real key here is in
> > > >evaluating the rule and traditions Vs Mandatory requirements....
> > > >
> > > > Everyone not only has an opinion but most significantly the right
to
> > > >express it to the group.... I think the most important part of this
> >whole
> > > >deal is to disagree politely.... Folks sitting behind these computers
> >have
> > > >feelings just like they would if we were sitting there bench
racing....
> > > >
> > > >Simply stated it's about treating everyone with dignity and
respect....
> >and
> > > >respecting each others opinions...
> > > >
> > > >Again it's not how you say something or the words you use.... it's
the
> > > >question that matters....
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for taking the time to ask the question in the first place....
> > > >
> > > >Keith
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