George, are you running out at Capital Raceway in
Md? I used to live about half a mile from the
clocks there. Loved to sit out on the deck in
the spring and listen to the cars while I enjoyed
a cigar.
Dick J
--- George Mitchell
<americanpartnerinrussia@starpower.net> wrote:
> By the way , NHRA fast stuff ( 7.50 and faster
> doorslammer or dragster) now
> has to be tig welded . They wouldnt even let
> you let the clutch out and go
> any faster if it was mig'd.
> Case in point , a friend of a friend of mine
> tried to save a few bucks when
> he built a new fast doorslammer car . we are
> talking about a difference of a
> couple of grand because the chassis builder
> charges extra for chrome moly ,
> tig and heat treating( as he should-- its a
> pain )
> When he first ran the car it was going 8.0s.
> The next year he built more
> horsepower and the car went a 7.30. They sent
> him home . He ended up selling
> the car because in one year the car had become
> unuseable for him. (By the
> way we have a top sportsman like series where
> the bump is usually about a 7
> flat or so -- thats why he was out of luck)
> George in DC
>
> Who says people dont race around DC !!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-land-speed@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-land-speed@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of
> FastmetalBDF@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:42 PM
> To: jdincau@qnet.com; lsr_man@yahoo.com;
> Nt788@aol.com;
> LGMCAFEE@aol.com; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Welding 101, production, and does
> Jim own a SNOW shovel
> ......
>
>
> Jim, I believe most of the Nascar
> shops use MIG welding on most of
> their chassis and cage work ...... it is
> perfect for that .
> I was thinking along dragster chassis
> lines ...... you know :
> Woody Gilmore ( still fabricating at a shop
> right at Sears Point Raceway
> when I was there several years ago ) ......
> Kent Fuller, who John Linville
> stumbled across when on a visit to a relative
> in Northern California, and
> Dave Uyehara, etc ..... the well known builders
> for the 1320 ......
> All of the 60s and 70s cars I have owned
> appeared to have MIG
> welded frames, which is most suitable, but some
> of the welding was OK,
> some pretty bad, and some of it slightly worse
> than TERRIBLE !
> I can understand why this production
> welding can be so slip shod
> as I worked in the Chrysler assembly plant in
> East Los Angeles back in
> ' 56 and ' 57, and saw how the main thrust
> every day was for production,
> production, and MORE production, and NOT
> quality workmanship in
> what was rolling out the door ..... it was
> amazing how much rework was
> required at the end of the line checkpoint,
> and, we were told, at the
> dealerships they ended up at . This type of
> operation stood out in stark
> contrast to what I saw in 1959, on a weekend
> tour of the Porsche plant in
> their Zuffenhausen facility( Stuttgart area )
> ..... the engine assembly area
> appeared to be absolutely spotless, as was the
> entire plant . It was
> quite apparent the goal there was not how many
> units could be pushed
> out the door every day, and always MORE than
> the previous day .
> As to the stock car frames, way
> back(sixties), when the modifieds
> were required to have STOCK ( ie, production )
> main rails, not square
> steel tubing, all those frames needed to be
> almost totally rewelded, and
> most the guys I knew used stick welding then
> ....... with very good
> results . Nowadays MIG is fast and efficient
> for this type of chassis
> fabrication, and can make strong welds that
> look good, too .......
> if the welder has some pride in his work, as
> well as some experience .
> The majority of drag cars now seem to be
> done with the tungsten
> inert gas process, and the results usually
> speak for themselves .....
> Bruce ..... surprised you got
> SNOW .....
> but irked you didn' t have to shovel any
> of it ! ha ha ha
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