Hey Doug, I got one of them Offy adapters (brand
spankin new) with the throwout bearing and sleeve
as well as the pilot bearing bushing for mounting
the Chev tranny to the flathead. I've also got a
spare truck/late merc bellhousing. it will put
everything in place to where you gotta drill for
the top loader. I was gonna use it with my chev
4 speed behind my 48 Ford flatty in the roadster,
but, as ya know, I canned that plan and am
dropping in the hemi instead. Anyhow, I'd make
ya a good deal on that stuff if yer interested,
maybe ya even got some tradin stuff that I could
use. Gimme a call at home one night this week
and we'll yap. You know how them three way
trades git goin sometimes. (903) 565-4797
Dick J
--- Doug Anderson <boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi ever'body..
>
> -all you lovers of all crusty, rusty ol' Ford
> Parts out there in cyberland:
>
> Let's play I'VE got questions, and YOU'VE got
> answers OK ? ok!
>
> Some of ya' may have heard some of this tale
> before from me, and some
> haven't but let's see what pops up from it and
> maybe we can all learn
> something How'szat?
>
> I've been trying to figure out the
> bestus,cheapest,and/or most effective way
> of mating the later model Ford so called "3
> speed with overdrive" cast iron
> toploader transmission to a '49-'53 Ford flatty
> block for my circa 1950
> Track racin' roadster pick'em up project I've
> got in the plannin' stages
> along with all else. These thing have about a
> .8 to 1 high gear and I'm
> thinkin' they would be just great on our modern
> superhighways for keeping up
> with the dam yuppies with their SUV's and
> cellphones.
>
> I've been asking LOTS of folks over the summer
> and it hasn't helped my brain
> much. I'm still confused. -Maybe it's just a
> personal problem. Maybe not.
> But I thought I'd give it a shot and ask you
> all collectively for your
> advise to try to come to terms with this
> delimma so I can really start to
> hunt down the proper parts to put it all
> together.
>
> First, just to clarify exactly what I've got,
> here are a few "specs" and a
> brief description -so that theres no mistaken'
> this thing for somethin' else
> -OK?
>
> As far as I've been able to determine these
> things came in Ford Econoline
> vans in the 1978-1983 period of time in the US.
> Also believed to have come
> in some mid size Granadas, Fairmonts, and the
> like. It seems they were a
> "stopgap" means of getting O.D. into these
> vehicles fast -before the "T-5"
> was fully developed and ready for use.. I
> guess what Ford did was order
> these things from (allegedly) Borg-Warner, and
> later Tremec. It appears
> that all they are is a conventional cast iron
> "toploader" 4 speed with
> redesigned gear ratios. From what I've seen
> they are externally identical.
> Here are some pretty accurate measurements I
> took off last night from the
> one I swapped from my buddy Tommy Hockman down
> Pennsylvania way:
>
>
> -Total Length; bellhousing face to the very end
> of the tailshaft housing: 24
> 1/4"
>
> -Nose of input shaft to the bellhousing face of
> main case; 6 1/2"
>
> -Four bolt pattern to mate to bellhousing; the
> holes are spaced apart 8 ="
> from side to side. -the lower two bolt holes
> are 6 1/4" below the top two.
> (much the same in appearance as a T-10 or a
> Muncie.)
>
> -The pilot shaft on the input shaft is .670" in
> diameter and 1.135" in
> length.
>
> -The clutch spline is 1.057 (1 1/16") and is 10
> spline. Kind'a small..
>
> -the Throwout bearing collar is 1.437 diameter
> where the bearing rides,
> -and 4.850" where
> it fits into the bellhousing.
>
> That's it for basic "specs" -pretty standard
> stuff I think.
>
>
> This is one of the transmissions that can
> convert to the (hard to find) Jeep
> top shift cover and lever. I've located one,
> and am in process of getting
> it as I'd like to have it for my application in
> a 50 year old Racing Track
> roadster setup.
>
> Frank Oddo just mentioned it in his column in
> Street Rodder Magazine in the
> JAN. 2001 issue. He did not seem to know much
> of its history however..
> He also mentioned that he had written of the
> Jeep shifter conversion for the
> 4 speed application in the DEC. 1990 issue.
>
> Does anyone have a copy of that issue you could
> photocopy his article for me
> ????? I'd love to get a copy of it! I have
> always had a large degree of
> respect for Frank Oddo's opinions. Bet you
> have as well.
>
>
> Friend (and list member) John Linville up in
> New Hamsha' showed me a
> brainstorm of a slick,trick setup that he
> dreamed up and built to mate a
> Muncie to his Race flatty: John figgered out
> that a Chevy Lakewood
> scattershield could be whittled on and
> re-drilled to make it fit the '49 to
> '53 blocks. I forgot if he also had to whittle
> on the Muncie shaft and
> throwout collar or notto make it all come
> together. Think he had to cut a
> wee bit off the tip of the input. How about
> it John -what 'zactl'y did you
> do to it to get it to all mate together?
> Inquirin' minds wanna know!
>
> I'm thinkin' this same trick could be pulled
> off to make the Ford 4 speed or
> 3 speed w/OD Trans. fit as well. Can anyone
> confirm this guess ????
>
> Another option, though probably more spendy, is
> one that Vern Tardel told me
> about recently when we last were gabbin' on the
> phone: According to Vern, it
> is possible to mate a later Ford toploader
> trans to a late flatty by using a
> "late" Mercury bell housing ( which is
> supposedly "tin" and about 3 = to 4"
> "tall" with the earlier Ford large diameter
> Transmission hole and an eight
> bolt circle.)
>
> Anyway Offenhauser has an "adapter" (listed in
> Speedway Motors catalog as #
> 560-5174 @ $ 179.95 + freight -plus a "bearing
> and arm kit" @ $ 82.95. =
> like $ 175 bucks. Hell I've only got about $
> 125 dolla in my whole
> tranny... I know, I know "if you wanna ----
> with the big dogs. J )
>
> -BUT I have heard from many that Offenhauser is
> notorious of late for taking
> an order (and your hard earned.) and then NOT
> deliverin' da' goods -at
> least for a long,long time. DON'T want to go
> there. This adapter by the
> way, is for mating a CHEV Muncie or B-W T-10
> transmission and not a Ford so
> re-work would have to be done to it upon
> purchase anyway so I'm not thinking
> this is such a great idea So..I'm thinkin'
> that John's idea might just
> well be "the way ta' go" -not to mention that
> you can have your cake and eat
> it too. Well maybe in this case it's not cake
> but a scattershield -but
> that can be a warm feeling at night. nez pa?
>
>
> I don't have an engine yet, but am planning to
> use a "latemodel" '49 to '53
> block. I also want to use the neat old crusty
> ALBRO aluminum flywheel that
> John so kindly offered up for the cause. It's
> got a bronze insert in it for
> a 10" clutch and is drilled and tapped for a
> "Long" style pressure plate.
> Though it sounds a little small, I think it
> will be fine after resurfacing
> in a lathe for what I want to do with this
> project I'm plannin'..
>
>
> Ok it'stime to spill da' beans: Can some of you
> PLEASE tell the ways you can
> think of to mate this flywheel and Transmission
> to
=== message truncated ===
=====
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Dick J *
* (In East Texas) *
* # 729 *
* C/GRS E/STR *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/
|