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Re: Small Block building

To: "Tom Neimeyer" <3cbxs@ev1.net>, "Dick J" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>,
Subject: Re: Small Block building
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:04:33 -0600
Geez don't look to me when it comes to this stuff.... I am just guessing
most the time... and when I'm not I am on the phone to someone smarter then
me..  I do have a clue about what I have done... and I guess on the end of
the day I have gone through as many motors as anybody... but I have yet to
build my own motor... I have spec'ed many of them... but I am about to
actually build my first one here this month or next.. and it's just a Mule
Motor to test out some components and have some fun while I wait for
Speedweek to roll around.... 

 When it comes to assembly I have always trusted someone else ... these
things just cost to much to build and the assembly is actually rather
cheap... So I haven't messed with it... 

I am looking forward to it... does that count?

K

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> From: Tom Neimeyer <3cbxs@ev1.net>
> To: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; kturk@ala.net; John Beckett
<landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Small Block building
> Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:33 PM
> 
> Dick,
>  I do not have the recent experience of Keith or John, but I think the
> stress on the rocker studs is more a factor of the spring pressure and
cam
> profile than imposed by the rpm.  When I used to drag race, wild cam
> profiles and the high spring pressures used in conjunction with them,
made
> screw in studs a necessity.  (sorry to butt in, but trying to get in my
> daily fix of LSR)
> 
> What part of East texas are you in?  I am going crazy to find somebody
> locally to discuss LSR stuff face to face. And actually "see" some
different
> stuff.  I'm in Houston.
> 
> Regards, Tom
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick J" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> To: <kturk@ala.net>; "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:36 PM
> Subject: Small Block building
> 
> 
> > OKAY, that's it then.  Why should I go and break
> > things just to learn lessons on my own??? ha ha
> > If the stock water pump and alternator are what
> > you both recommend, then that's what stays.  I'll
> > just switch to a good elec fan setup.
> >
> > If I was going to write one letter to one cam
> > grinder to tell him what I do and ask him to fix
> > me up with HIS recommendations for cam, push
> > rods, rockers, springs and retainers, who should
> > I spend my stamp on?
> >
> > And, assuming I'm still gonna stay conservative
> > on RPMs (maybe 7000 - 7500), are screw in rocker
> > studs necessary or will the stockers handle it?
> >
> > Hey, don't laugh - -remember, I'm a hemi &
> > flathead guy, and neither one of them have rocker
> > studs!
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dick J
> >
> > --- Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net> wrote:
> > > Dick I am with John on this one... I would take
> > > off the Fan.... but I would
> > > leave the Alternator and Stock Pump....
> > >
> > > 6200 was all I spun my stock and later semi
> > > stock 350 too.... it's plenty
> > > high enough... if you can get the valve springs
> > > and cam that would carry it
> > > out some more....
> > >
> > > I am beginning to think I set limits that are
> > > too low on all my motors....
> > > but I have never pitched a rod out the side of
> > > one.... ( knocking furiously
> > > on all available wood )
> > >
> > > Will spun mine up to 8900 rpm and it seemed to
> > > like it on the Bottle...
> > > hmmm interesting.... now to find out if he
> > > killed the springs or not...
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: John Beckett
> > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Small Block red Line
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:41 PM
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > > I was told the rear end was a 3.73:1 (Chev 10
> > > > bolt). I didn't have time to actualy check it
> > > > out, but I ran 126.5 at 6200 RPM with tires
> > > that
> > > > measured exactly 27" tall.  That says the
> > > rear
> > > > end is something like 3.96:1 (such ratio not
> > > in
> > > > GM line up as far as I know).  Even if I was
> > > off
> > > > reading the tach a little, it still checks
> > > out
> > > > something way to low for what I want to do.
> > > > I'm going to swap it out for a Ford 9" this
> > > > winter.  I was thinking a 2.76.  What Ford
> > > ratio
> > > > do you think I should go with?  I know why
> > > keep
> > > > the alternator, but why not convert to
> > > > electric-driven water pump? I was thinking of
> > > the
> > > > Moroso motor that drives the stock Chev pump.
> > > Of
> > > > course, I was going to add one or two
> > > electric
> > > > cooling fans in lieu of the clutch fan. Can
> > > you
> > > > suggest what valve springs I should get?  I
> > > heard
> > > > you and Keith were both running Chet Herbert
> > > cam
> > > > stuff - -no?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dick J
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- John Beckett
> > > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >     Dick
> > > > >
> > > > >     My suggestion, for your stock motor,
> > > would
> > > > > be to add a valve spring that
> > > > > will allow you to go to 6500 RPM
> > > consistantly.
> > > > > Keep the belt driven water
> > > > > pump & alternator. Add a good Fuel and
> > > Ignition
> > > > > system.
> > > > >     What gear ratio are you running in the
> > > > > rear?
> > > > >
> > > > >     JB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dick J" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; "Keith
> > > > > Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:09 AM
> > > > > Subject: Small Block red Line
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not knowing a lot about Chev small
> > > bolocks, I
> > > > > set
> > > > > > a self-imposed red line of 6200.  I did
> > > wind
> > > > > it
> > > > > > right to 6200 on my last run, and that
> > > limit
> > > > > > still managed to put me into the record
> > > book,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > I'm wondering what a reasonable red-line
> > > > > should
> > > > > > be.  I don't want to be breaking motors,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > do want to see what it can do. This is an
> > > > > > all-stock Chev 350, 4 bolts, stock
> > > rockers
> > > > > and
> > > > > > springs in 882 (76cc) Chev head castings,
> > > > > flat
> > > > > > top pistons, and a cam that specs out at
> > > 260.
> > > > >  My
> > > > > > plan for spring is to install an electric
> > > > > water
> > > > > > pump and electric fan.  The motor would
> > > have
> > > > > > wound just a little more this year, but
> > > with
> > > > > > those changes, it will hopefully have
> > > just
> > > > > enough
> > > > > > more power to allow a little tighter
> > > winding
> > > > > > (valve train permitting, of course). What
> > > do
> > > > > you
> > > > > > guys think the max RPM for that motor
> > > should
> > > > > be?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > > > > > *         Dick J          *
> > > > > > *    (In East Texas)      *
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