I can Appreciate it all.... but to me personally the Turbine Engine isn't a
Car motor.... got's no Pistons... even if it is driving the wheels.....
it's a Turbine powered Hot Rod for a fact... and at a much greater level
then I am at... but to me it's about gotta make real noise to impress
me.... NOT WHINE...
maybe I am Jaded by twenty years of operating these things but I still love
a conventional Piston engine...... ( I even loaned Rick Vesco my Fire
bottle this last year to make a back up run.... man without him and his
dedication where would we be)
Keith
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> From: Dick Jurkowski <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> To: JAMES CANNON <dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>; John Beckett
<landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; Parks, David <David.Parks@lfr.com>;
land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Just a Question?
> Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:54 AM
>
> Well I'm on both sides. I want to keep the old
> stuff alive, but the new stuff sure makes sweet
> music when it screams by. There's a lot to be
> said for a guy who makes a lil' one go fast, but
> the shaking of the earth beneath a big one is
> awsome. When they first quit racing Allisons and
> went to jet turbines I thought the earth had come
> to an end - -but now, there is a certain
> mezmerizing effect of hearing that jet engine
> scream by at a bazillion RPM on the ground! If it
> races, it must be neat!!!
>
> --- JAMES CANNON <dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> > Didn't I read a few months ago a extensive
> > discussion about pinto motors in
> > Studebakers and how foolish that was because it
> > would not be as fast as with
> > bigger or better powerplants, but now that
> > something even faster comes along
> > that maybe we don't understand or can't afford
> > or whatever we start talking
> > about it ruining the sport. Wich side are we
> > really on?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Beckett
> > <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > To: Parks, David <David.Parks@lfr.com>;
> > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Electronics and New Stuff
> >
> >
> > >David
> > >
> > >Nice to have you on the list. Sorry to hear
> > your not going to be racing
> > with
> > >us in 2000.
> > >
> > >I hope I can correct a typical
> > misunderstanding here that EFI...and thats
> > >all I'm talking about here...is exceedingly
> > more expensive than other forms
> > >of fueling. What's the price on a new Kinsler
> > or Hilborn mechanical
> > >injection system today?? Or even a new Demon
> > carburetor? They ain't cheep
> > >and by the time you add in manifolds, pumps,
> > regulators, EGT, lines and
> > such
> > >your not all that far from the EFI system
> > anyway.
> > >
> > >I don't think Electronics and New Stuff will
> > hurt this sport at all. We
> > have
> > >all talked about how we like the creativity
> > and innovation in LSR. Take
> > that
> > >away and we really will have a problem. If
> > anything will kill this sport it
> > >is lack of growth. Keep it interesting and
> > exciting and we'll be OK.
> > >
> > >John from Asheville
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi John,
> > >
> > >Thanks for the welcome! I have no
> > misunderstanding, but I didn't buy much
> > >new ANYTHING for my car. I got my old set of
> > Hilborns at a swap meet. But
> > >that's just me, and I'm notoriously cheap.
> > >
> > >I don't think "low-tech" is all that great,
> > and you can sure go faster,
> > >better, smarter, longer, with the new stuff. I
> > just think it's important to
> > >have a place where people with relatively
> > little money can race and have a
> > >good time. Not to say that people won't come
> > out if they don't think they
> > >can set a record, because some of my most
> > enjoyable years were spent
> > running
> > >cars that I knew would never be within 50 mph
> > of the record. It just felt
> > >good to go relatively fast and not have to
> > watch out for the cops.
> > >
> > >Can we keep those feelings alive while having
> > the new techno-cars moving
> > the
> > >records out of site for mere mortals?
> > Probably, but I'm not sure it will be
> > >such a fun place. I've often thought that it
> > might help to establish some
> > >more truly "stock" type classes that limit the
> > dollars that can be
> > invested.
> > >It probably won't work to limit technology in
> > the all-out race classes, and
> > >we have enough classes now without having
> > high- and low-tech versions.
> > >
> > >I appreciate all the sentiments that I hear
> > about not limiting technology.
> > >After all, thats what racing is all about. But
> > there is also something to
> > be
> > >said for the fun of making stuff out of a
> > bunch of parts you have lying
> > >around and having it work. you know, doing
> > stuff on the garage floor with a
> > >hammer and a drill, and then having to get all
> > the stuff out of the way so
> > >your wife can park her car. It just doesn't
> > seem the same as plopping down
> > >60 thousand dollars for a car with the new
> > best of everything.
> > >
> > >Maybe it's the fixation on points and records
> > that gets in the way. I'm
> > >afraid that I am just an old fart reminiscing
> > over "the good old days".
> > >
> > >By the way, do you have dates for the 2000
> > ECTA events?
> > >
> > >regards, David
> > >
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >Nothing wrong with building a car from used
> > parts, we all do it, even built
> > >engines myself with used pistons, rods, crank
> > and heads. Now that I think
> > >about it I bet 60% to 70% of my car is built
> > from used parts. And one day
> > >used EFI setups will be out there too.
> > >
> > >Maybe what we need is a spec class car for
> > those who just want to run for
> > >cheep? 71 to 80 Camaro/Firebird w/stock body,
> > 350 V-8, turbo 350, single 4
> > >bbl carb.?
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Parks, David <David.Parks@lfr.com>
> > >To: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > >Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:41 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Electronics and New Stuff
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>
> > >>I have a stock-bodied 1979 Camaro that I have
> > have been racing at the Dry
> > >>Lakes in California for several years. The
> > car holds 3 current El Mirage
> > >Dry
> > >>Lake records (C/BGALT, C/BFALT, C/BGC) and 2
> > current Muroc Dry Lake
> > >>(C/BGALT, C/BGC) records, all over 205 mph.
> > The car formerly held records
> > >in
> > >>two classes (215 and 224 mph) at the
> > Bonneville Salt Flats, set in 1996
> > >>(since blown away by the 300 mph Kugel
> > firebird).
> > >>
> > >>I have my own take on the
> > electronics/technonlogy issue, since I have set
> > >my
> > >>records without the help of any. I run an old
> > Hilborn setup (you know, the
> > >>coffee can with 8 holes in it) because it was
> > more in line with what my
> > >>goals were. I wanted to see how fast I could
> > go with minimal expenditure
> > >>(although racing is never cheap) and, with a
> > little help, the car has been
> > >>very succesful. I never thought of upgrading
> > to electronics because if I
> > >>did, I might as well put it in a much more
> > aerodynamic package than the
> > '79
> > >>(like a newer Firebird or ?). It can really
> > snowball, and like I said, my
> > >>goal was not to see how much money I could
> > spend (or at least that's what
> > I
> > >>told my wife).
> > >>
> > >>Also, my view of Land Speed Racing might be a
> > little different because I
> > >>feel that I have been exposed to the "roots"
> > of it more than many. Hot
> > >>Rodding has always been about inovation and
> > seeing what you can get out of
> > >>what you've got. With that said, I can't help
> > but feel that cubic bucks is
> > >>not necessarily the best emphasis. Land speed
> > racing is the last bastion
> > of
> > >>truly amateur racing, and the total lack of
> > prize money goes a long way
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> Dick J in East Texas
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