You should be able to run in any class that the vehicle is UNDERQUALIFIED
for, not the other way around. A gas car in a fuel class should be o.k.. Not
a fuel car in a gas class.
Dale "chief" Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: Ferguson, Darrell <dfergus@bactc.com>
To: 'Dick Jurkowski' <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; JAMES CANNON
<dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>; Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield
<lemay@hiwaay.net>; Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; land-speed@autox.team.net
<land-speed@autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: More Points computation ideas
>I disagree with the run your car in a bigger displacement class with a
>smaller engine theory. For myself personally, I could run against a record
>that is 22 mph slower by running in class ABFALT with my class B motor. I
>INTERPERET the rules to say that I have to compete within the class that my
>cubic inch designation lands me in. I feel that running in class A, AA with
>a class B motor is unfair to other competitors in those classes, as is
>running in a Fuel class by merely switching to a gasoline not supplied by
>ERC, but again, that's my interpretation.
>
> Darrell Ferguson
> BLACK RADON ENGINEERING
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Jurkowski [SMTP:lsr_man@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:46 PM
> To: JAMES CANNON; Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield; Keith Turk;
>land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: More Points computation ideas
>
> Lots of good ideas, but don't limit a car to one
> class only. Let it run in any class the
> driver/team wants to put it in (displacement wise
> I mean - if you want to run a "C" motored car in
> "B" - then do it). Don't establish minimum
> records either, this is a new association - all
> of the records will be filled soon enough and
> they'll start getting harder and harder to set.
> If a guy goes through all the trouble and expense
> to build and prep a car and get all the safety
> equipment to run against an open record - that
> effort entitles him to have that record if he
> makes it to the finish line. For one thing, with
> an eye towards association growth, it will
> attract a lot more new drivers if they look at
> the book and say: "Darn, my car is pretty fast
> and I can make a record in that class!" You're
> not as likely to attract that first timer if he
> has a decent 140 mph car and looks at the record
> book and sees that it's an open record but he has
> to do 203 to earn that record - know what I mean?
> And for the 200 club - don't set minimums! 200
> is 200 - period!! I also like the idea of some
> kind of points for other than setting a record.
>
> --- JAMES CANNON <dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> > Hi Group;
> >
> > My 2 cents worth, I believe we
> > should seperate point races for
> > motorcycle and car classes or revamp the system
> > one. Reason being it is much
> > to easy to have a 150+ mph motorcycle that is
> > legal to run right off the
> > showroom floor and creates challenges to the
> > car guys that have considerably
> > more safety equipment to run comparable speeds.
> > I also would like to see
> > record minnimums to keep points from being
> > sandbagged and bought. I race a
> > motorcycle and see the unfairness in points
> > from where I'm at and it works
> > in my favor so it must frustrate some of you
> > car guys
> >
> >
> >
> > Id be
> > happy to discuss this further
> >
> > Jim
> > Cannon #124 A/PG/1350-4
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield
> > <lemay@hiwaay.net>
> > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Points computation ideas
> >
> >
> > >Now you've done it. And even though I am not
> > (yet) a memebr of ECTA, I have
> > >a few thousand words regarding this subject.
> > Uh...what were they..oh
> > >yeah... The SCTA rule book firstly says that
> > the vehicle can run only in
> > >the lowest class for which it qualifies. I
> > assume this means that if you
> > >have a D/BMS (like me) and that is the lowest
> > engine class I can run in
> > >then that is the ONLY one that I should be
> > allowed to run in. Even if the C
> > >and B and A are vacant, I should not be
> > permitted to run in those classes.
> > >And gas should not compete in fuel classes.
> > >
> > >Now how would I do the points, well if you dig
> > back in the archives maybe
> > >we could find the previous posts, but..I think
> > everyone who runs should get
> > >points for his/her trying. So even if you make
> > a run and break before the
> > >trap, you should still get soemthing, else why
> > bother to show up at all.
> > >So, get 25 points for showing up in your class
> > at the line. Get percentage
> > >of points up to the record or minimum. 100
> > points for reacing existing
> > >record or minimum even if you are not fastest
> > in class but meet record.
> > >Then add on some points for breaking the
> > record, but only a minimum number
> > >of points. Why, well it will help keep the
> > sandbagging to a minimum. And
> > >for club purposes only one set of points per
> > driver. This is to keep
> > >someone from bringing a semi full of cars to a
> > club meet and running the
> > >points out of reach. So if a driver wants to
> > run multiple classes in
> > >DIFFERENT vehicles then he gets to pick the
> > one he wants his points
> > >against. I assume this would be the one that
> > exceeds a record by the most.
> > >
> > >So why do I get on my soap box about class
> > jumping? Well for instance, cars
> > >with bigger motors don't always run faster
> > than cars with smaller motors.
> > >When I look at the B'ville BMS records I see
> > (or in my old book) that the
> > >E/BMS is around 260 mph while other classes ,
> > A,B,C D or slower than that.
> > >The E size was running in the lowes class that
> > he qualified for so he could
> > >not set records in the othr classes even
> > though it looks like he had the
> > >capability to do so. Build the vehicle for a
> > specific class then run in
> > >that class. Iffn you change motors to
> > different sizes though you could run
> > >in those classes.
> > >
> > >Here's how I would work the points thing...
> > >
> > >I show up in my wildly throbbing Twin Turbo
> > D/BMS (red of course) and
> > >during the run, I reach the existing record
> > and exceed it by 5 mph.
> > >
> > >Here is what my points would look like:
> > >Show up at starting line................ 25
> > points
> > >meet or exceed min or record............100
> > points
> > >exceed record ............................5
> > points (1 point or fraction
> > >thereof for every mph over record:if run was
> > only 0.001 over record then
> > >you only get 0.001 points )
> > >TOTAL...................................130
> > points
> > >
> > >My competition shows up (nah, no competition
> > in my class). And he runs over
> > >the record but just by 2 mph.
> > >
> > >Here is what his points look like:
> > >Show up.................25 points
> > >meet record............100 points
> > >exceed record ...........2 points
> > >TOTAL..................127 points
> > >
> > >The next guy shows up but his car doesn't cut
> > it and he only runs 80% of
> > >the record/minimum.
> > >
> > >Here is what his points look like:
> > >Show up.................25 points
> > >meet record.............80 points
> > >exceed record ...........0 points
> > >TOTAL..................105 points
> > >
> > >
> > >This shows how good the competition really
> > was.
> > >
> > >This forces everybody to run like a banshee
> > everytime. No sandbagging or
> > >class jumping. And I think this is fairly
> > simple to set up in excel
> > >spreadsheet and automate it (I think).
> > >
> > >My $0.02 worth and worth every bit of it!!
> > >
> > >At 12:06 PM 11/26/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
> > >>Hey Guys....
> > >>
> > >>John Beckett and I have been bantering about
> > different Ideas on a Points
> > >>system that is fair and adequate ... oh and
> > easy to figure.... (heavy on
> > >>the ease)
> > >>
> > >>Thought we would throw it out here and see
> > what you folks thought... there
> > >>are a number of different ways of making this
> > happen....
> > >>
> > >>Currently you can run against any record ...
> > from your class up... that
> > has
> > >>given us the ability to fill the record books
> > as the organization grew...
> > >>
> > >>Points are awarded as follows.. Percent of
> > the record x2 and then 25 bonus
> > >>points for setting a record and an additional
> > 25 points for mph over the
> > >>record again based on Percentages of the
> > record.... with a Max of 250 pts
> > >>per meet.
> > >>
> > >>example: if your record is 100mph and you
> > run 99.9 you get 200 points if
> > >>you run 100.01 you get 25 bonus points for
> > exceeding the record for a
> > total
> > >>of 225pts ....... If you run 112.5 mph you
> > get your 225pts plus 25 more
> > >>points as that is 112.5 percent of the
> > record...
> > >>
> > >>anybody out there got any good Ideas on how
> > to do this better?
> > >>
> > >>the problem of course here is that if you
> > have a slower car it's easy to
> > >>get max points..... as your car increases in
> > Speed the extra points are
> > >>harder and harder to get without sand bagging
> > a record up front....
> > >>
> > >>Keith Turk
> > >>Austin Healey 100 / Bugeye / Box Sprite /
> > Bonneville
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
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