I disagree with the run your car in a bigger displacement class with a
smaller engine theory. For myself personally, I could run against a record
that is 22 mph slower by running in class ABFALT with my class B motor. I
INTERPERET the rules to say that I have to compete within the class that my
cubic inch designation lands me in. I feel that running in class A, AA with
a class B motor is unfair to other competitors in those classes, as is
running in a Fuel class by merely switching to a gasoline not supplied by
ERC, but again, that's my interpretation.
Darrell Ferguson
BLACK RADON ENGINEERING
# 939 BBFALT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Jurkowski [SMTP:lsr_man@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:46 PM
To: JAMES CANNON; Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield; Keith Turk;
land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: More Points computation ideas
Lots of good ideas, but don't limit a car to one
class only. Let it run in any class the
driver/team wants to put it in (displacement wise
I mean - if you want to run a "C" motored car in
"B" - then do it). Don't establish minimum
records either, this is a new association - all
of the records will be filled soon enough and
they'll start getting harder and harder to set.
If a guy goes through all the trouble and expense
to build and prep a car and get all the safety
equipment to run against an open record - that
effort entitles him to have that record if he
makes it to the finish line. For one thing, with
an eye towards association growth, it will
attract a lot more new drivers if they look at
the book and say: "Darn, my car is pretty fast
and I can make a record in that class!" You're
not as likely to attract that first timer if he
has a decent 140 mph car and looks at the record
book and sees that it's an open record but he has
to do 203 to earn that record - know what I mean?
And for the 200 club - don't set minimums! 200
is 200 - period!! I also like the idea of some
kind of points for other than setting a record.
--- JAMES CANNON <dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> Hi Group;
>
> My 2 cents worth, I believe we
> should seperate point races for
> motorcycle and car classes or revamp the system
> one. Reason being it is much
> to easy to have a 150+ mph motorcycle that is
> legal to run right off the
> showroom floor and creates challenges to the
> car guys that have considerably
> more safety equipment to run comparable speeds.
> I also would like to see
> record minnimums to keep points from being
> sandbagged and bought. I race a
> motorcycle and see the unfairness in points
> from where I'm at and it works
> in my favor so it must frustrate some of you
> car guys
>
>
>
> Id be
> happy to discuss this further
>
> Jim
> Cannon #124 A/PG/1350-4
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield
> <lemay@hiwaay.net>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> land-speed@autox.team.net
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Points computation ideas
>
>
> >Now you've done it. And even though I am not
> (yet) a memebr of ECTA, I have
> >a few thousand words regarding this subject.
> Uh...what were they..oh
> >yeah... The SCTA rule book firstly says that
> the vehicle can run only in
> >the lowest class for which it qualifies. I
> assume this means that if you
> >have a D/BMS (like me) and that is the lowest
> engine class I can run in
> >then that is the ONLY one that I should be
> allowed to run in. Even if the C
> >and B and A are vacant, I should not be
> permitted to run in those classes.
> >And gas should not compete in fuel classes.
> >
> >Now how would I do the points, well if you dig
> back in the archives maybe
> >we could find the previous posts, but..I think
> everyone who runs should get
> >points for his/her trying. So even if you make
> a run and break before the
> >trap, you should still get soemthing, else why
> bother to show up at all.
> >So, get 25 points for showing up in your class
> at the line. Get percentage
> >of points up to the record or minimum. 100
> points for reacing existing
> >record or minimum even if you are not fastest
> in class but meet record.
> >Then add on some points for breaking the
> record, but only a minimum number
> >of points. Why, well it will help keep the
> sandbagging to a minimum. And
> >for club purposes only one set of points per
> driver. This is to keep
> >someone from bringing a semi full of cars to a
> club meet and running the
> >points out of reach. So if a driver wants to
> run multiple classes in
> >DIFFERENT vehicles then he gets to pick the
> one he wants his points
> >against. I assume this would be the one that
> exceeds a record by the most.
> >
> >So why do I get on my soap box about class
> jumping? Well for instance, cars
> >with bigger motors don't always run faster
> than cars with smaller motors.
> >When I look at the B'ville BMS records I see
> (or in my old book) that the
> >E/BMS is around 260 mph while other classes ,
> A,B,C D or slower than that.
> >The E size was running in the lowes class that
> he qualified for so he could
> >not set records in the othr classes even
> though it looks like he had the
> >capability to do so. Build the vehicle for a
> specific class then run in
> >that class. Iffn you change motors to
> different sizes though you could run
> >in those classes.
> >
> >Here's how I would work the points thing...
> >
> >I show up in my wildly throbbing Twin Turbo
> D/BMS (red of course) and
> >during the run, I reach the existing record
> and exceed it by 5 mph.
> >
> >Here is what my points would look like:
> >Show up at starting line................ 25
> points
> >meet or exceed min or record............100
> points
> >exceed record ............................5
> points (1 point or fraction
> >thereof for every mph over record:if run was
> only 0.001 over record then
> >you only get 0.001 points )
> >TOTAL...................................130
> points
> >
> >My competition shows up (nah, no competition
> in my class). And he runs over
> >the record but just by 2 mph.
> >
> >Here is what his points look like:
> >Show up.................25 points
> >meet record............100 points
> >exceed record ...........2 points
> >TOTAL..................127 points
> >
> >The next guy shows up but his car doesn't cut
> it and he only runs 80% of
> >the record/minimum.
> >
> >Here is what his points look like:
> >Show up.................25 points
> >meet record.............80 points
> >exceed record ...........0 points
> >TOTAL..................105 points
> >
> >
> >This shows how good the competition really
> was.
> >
> >This forces everybody to run like a banshee
> everytime. No sandbagging or
> >class jumping. And I think this is fairly
> simple to set up in excel
> >spreadsheet and automate it (I think).
> >
> >My $0.02 worth and worth every bit of it!!
> >
> >At 12:06 PM 11/26/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
> >>Hey Guys....
> >>
> >>John Beckett and I have been bantering about
> different Ideas on a Points
> >>system that is fair and adequate ... oh and
> easy to figure.... (heavy on
> >>the ease)
> >>
> >>Thought we would throw it out here and see
> what you folks thought... there
> >>are a number of different ways of making this
> happen....
> >>
> >>Currently you can run against any record ...
> from your class up... that
> has
> >>given us the ability to fill the record books
> as the organization grew...
> >>
> >>Points are awarded as follows.. Percent of
> the record x2 and then 25 bonus
> >>points for setting a record and an additional
> 25 points for mph over the
> >>record again based on Percentages of the
> record.... with a Max of 250 pts
> >>per meet.
> >>
> >>example: if your record is 100mph and you
> run 99.9 you get 200 points if
> >>you run 100.01 you get 25 bonus points for
> exceeding the record for a
> total
> >>of 225pts ....... If you run 112.5 mph you
> get your 225pts plus 25 more
> >>points as that is 112.5 percent of the
> record...
> >>
> >>anybody out there got any good Ideas on how
> to do this better?
> >>
> >>the problem of course here is that if you
> have a slower car it's easy to
> >>get max points..... as your car increases in
> Speed the extra points are
> >>harder and harder to get without sand bagging
> a record up front....
> >>
> >>Keith Turk
> >>Austin Healey 100 / Bugeye / Box Sprite /
> Bonneville
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Dick J in East Texas
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