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Use non-hardening Hylomar on the threads and gasket.
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John
=E2=80=9962 BT7
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
warthodson--- via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 PM
To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>; Bob Spidell =
<bspidell@comcast.net>; gradea1@charter.net
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips
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30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank
For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than =
synthetic oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule.=20
Gary
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On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via =
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Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto =
the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes =
place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't =
soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give =
you some squeeze movement.
=20
Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but then =
hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob =
described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug =
does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.
=20
And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect =
leaks. Hank
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Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips=20
Don,=20
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I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several =
failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the =
flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange =
until flat and dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex =
Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the =
threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic =
gear oils will leak more readily than the 30W.
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Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the nut =
seats all the way around.
=20
Harold
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys =
I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's =
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully =
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to =
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried =
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other =
places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for =
sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer =
ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width =
of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the =
problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to =
get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their =
fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before =
installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt.=20
I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of =
torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a =
2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that =
(but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to =
forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a =
mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it =
could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard =
to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days).=20
Bob
On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:
Good morning all=20
Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug =
on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning =
and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool =
and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there =
was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look =
gouged or anything. So what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ? =
Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of =
gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe =
add two gaskets ?=20
Thanks as always, Don=20
Sent from my iPhone
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Use non-hardening Hylomar on =
the threads and gasket.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9962 =
BT7<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>warthodson--- =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>; Bob Spidell =
<bspidell@comcast.net>; gradea1@charter.net<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OD =
drips<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote =
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8.0pt;margin-left:15.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>no synthetics or expect leaks. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For that to be =
true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule =
& smaller that the conventional oil =
molecule. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp328d89fcyahoo_quoted_7759625268"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via =
Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer =
onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal =
takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil =
won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to =
give you some squeeze movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but =
then hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted =
from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and =
then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the =
file.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>And thank you Harold!!! <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong>no synthetics or expect leaks. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844yqt40493><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>-------------------- <br><br>From: "Harold Manifold" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net";>manifold@telus.net</a>> =
<br>To: "Bob Spidell" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>> =
<br>Cc: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT <br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
OD drips <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Don, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several =
failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the =
flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange =
until flat and dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex =
Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the =
threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic =
gear oils will leak more readily than the =
30W.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the =
nut seats all the way around.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's =
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully =
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to =
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried =
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other =
places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say =
for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the =
newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the =
width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part =
of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always =
tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings =
on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil =
before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. =
<br><br>I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a =
lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a =
drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe =
to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative =
would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well =
to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). =
But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily =
surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for =
days). <br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Good morning all =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Two days ago I installed =
a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the =
transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the =
bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it =
up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I =
installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look gouged or anything. So =
what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?=C2=A0 Remove the big brass =
plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the =
gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks as =
always, Don <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
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