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Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967 Engine Rebuild failure

To: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967 Engine Rebuild failure
From: Warren Dietz via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2024 05:37:39 -0500
Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
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&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 B=
ob Spidell via Healeys; =E2=80=9CThe most rational, pragmatic swap at this =
point would be to an electric motor and batteries;=E2=80=9D?<o:p></o:p></i>=
</b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>http=
s://revival.autos/electric-classic-car/the-art-of-transforming-classics-con=
verting-your-beloved-austin-healey-into-an-electric-gem/</p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-d=
iv;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=
=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>HealeyRick</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, Fe=
bruary 10, 2024 9:18 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.ne=
t">Bob Spidell</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>=
healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967 Engine=
 Rebuild failure</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>Now, you've gone too far, Bob.&nbsp; An electric Healey?=
 Bleah!&nbsp; As you say, to each their own. There's plenty of room in the =
Healey tent for concours, modified, big Healeys, little Healeys, Nash Heale=
ys, Healey boats, etc. Can't we all just get along?&nbsp;<span style=3D'fon=
t-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128512;</span></p><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Rick</p></div=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 1:22=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell via Healeys &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0p=
t;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The most rational, pragmatic =
swap at this point would be to an electric motor and batteries; done right,=
 it would blow the doors off an LS or Coyote swap (up to a 100MPH or so, I =
wouldn't push a Healey chassis much past that, for long anyway-BTDT). How m=
any owners do more than day trips anyway (my days of 5K mile trips are, unf=
ortunately, in the past). <br><br>I wanted a big V8-powered car with all th=
e modern improvements, so I bought a Mustang GT and left my Healeys as Aust=
ins (Jensens) un-mutated, and without the 20-50% drop in market value* (my =
survivors will have to sell my Healeys someday). 475HP--480 if I could get =
93-octane--disks all around (Brembos in front), electric throttle and steer=
ing (several modes), 19x9/10 wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport 4ses, IRS, Ma=
gneRide and Steeda suspension upgrades (the IRS is a bit shaky); 0-60 under=
 5s (supposedly; I'm not good enough and the A10s are quicker). Bigger and =
heavier; I reckon a Nasty Boy would take me on a narrow twisty, but on the =
sweepers and straights it's sayonara. The Mustang hauls ass, and it's fun, =
but the Austin-Healeys are simply more satisfying to drive--by far--warts a=
nd all.<br><br>Disclaimer: I am very much an &quot;It's your car, do what y=
ou want with it&quot; person. I've made small mods to my cars: Pertonix Ign=
itors in both; taller rear-end for highway driveability, Texas Cooler with =
shroud in the BJ8 but I never have, and never will, understand why people b=
uy a car they don't actually want just to change it (owners with broken/mis=
sing engines who think 'Why not?' I can see). Why not buy a Saxon and build=
 it up the way you want it from scratch? Oh, and for the record, I don't mu=
ch care for breast implants either; just not the same.<br><br>* Just my obs=
ervations from BaT, FB, mailing lists, etc.; I've yet to see a Nasty Boy cr=
oss the block at B-J or Mecums--doen't mean it hasn't happened--but the mus=
cle car 'restomods' with SBCs, LSes, etc. are a dime-a-dozen and, IMO, not =
particularly unique or imaginative (they do have garish paint jobs though).=
<br><br><br><br></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 2/9/2024 10:25 PM, Chris S=
cholz via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I love my LS1 swap.&nbsp;=
 It was a lot of work.&nbsp; Aluminum dual passage Wizard radiator with 15=
=E2=80=9D spal fan-I can drive in a parade at 110 heat index and car stays =
right at 195 degrees.&nbsp; Lots of work to get the alternator to fit-I mod=
ified a bracket from a Jeep wrangler LS swap kit. &nbsp; Everything barely =
fit longitudinally-there is one inch between the electric radiator fan and =
my water pump. &nbsp; Had to cut the steering shaft and u joint.&nbsp; Work=
s great. &nbsp; </p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Like Rick, I have the stock 3=
.55 Healey rear with a quaife limited slip diff and it works perfectly. &nb=
sp;72=E2=80=9D Daytona wire wheels with 205 wide tires. &nbsp; Lowered the =
front spring perches -my front was so much lighter it was up in the air by =
2-3=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; It rides and handles so well.&nbsp; My car was a 1959 1=
00-6 so it wasn=E2=80=99t worth as much stock as a BJ8.&nbsp; I feel my val=
ue went up. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I love my relia=
bility and the torque is amazing.&nbsp; Car is so much fun to slowly cruise=
 and then hit the gas and go.&nbsp; I would never go back to the heavy iron=
 block.&nbsp; I feel this an aluminum V8 would have been Healey=E2=80=99s f=
irst choice if GM would have worked with him. &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent=
 from my iPhone </p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris Scholz OD</p></div></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0=
pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'=
>On Feb 9, 2024, at 7:58=E2=80=AFPM, HealeyRick <a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik=
@gmail.com">&lt;healeyrik@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF </p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A V8 swap is not=
hing to be undertaken lightly. It's not as simple as &quot;dropping in a V8=
&quot;. That's the easy part, mostly focusing on making engine and transmis=
sion mounts and cutting away pieces of the footwells so the motor will fit =
with the exhaust headers in place.&nbsp; It's all the other stuff you need =
to do that will really add the work. New electrical system, radiator, upgra=
ded brakes, fuel system, transmission shifter, etc, etc. It's worth it in t=
he end if you want a Healey/Cobra, but you'll also knock off about 30 perce=
nt of your car's value or more.&nbsp; You can see the work I had to do to p=
ut a Ford 5.0L and 5 speed transmission into my BJ7 here:&nbsp;<a href=3D"h=
ttp://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,8264">http://forum.britishv8.org/read=
.php?13,8264</a>&nbsp; The Ford 5.0 is narrower than the Chevy LS so less b=
ody cutting to do, but not a huge difference. LS motors are more likely to =
be found in a junkyard with low mileage now and with your brother a GM mech=
anic, would be very helpful.&nbsp; I did about 50-75% of the swap myself, e=
xcept for the engine rebuild and body fabrication. My car has 350 hp and I =
run the stock rear end with 3.55 gears and Dayton 72 spoke wires.&nbsp; Muc=
h more power than that and those parts will start braking.&nbsp; A good eng=
ine swap is really a joy, but if you do a bad one it will be a nightmare fo=
rever. Chris did a really nice swap with his LS but he can speak to how muc=
h work it was. </p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>My first choice if you don't have that &quot;Need fo=
r Speed&quot; would be to try a replacement Healey 6.</p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Best of =
Luck,</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Rick</p></div></div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 9, 2=
024 at 2:11=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-le=
ft:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-r=
ight:0in'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family=
:"Arial",sans-serif'>Funny you should suggest a v8 replacement.&nbsp; Chris=
 just made that suggestion to install an LS1 with GM Trans.&nbsp; My Bother=
 is a retired GM mechanic, and he agrees.&nbsp; Did you do the exchange?&nb=
sp; What engine trans etc. did you use?&nbsp; All options are on the table.=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif'>&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:=
"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span></p><div style=3D'border:none;bo=
rder-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>healeyrik@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 9, 2024 1:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 1967 Engine Rebuild failure</p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&=
nbsp;</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sorry to hear this Bob. What you've been told so far s=
eems correct. Without the main bearing caps you're in a tough spot.&nbsp; M=
aybe trying to find a BJ8 block or a rebuildable BJ8 motor is the best of a=
 bad group of choices.&nbsp; Too bad, I gave away a bare block with caps fr=
om a BJ7 a few years ago for a donation to our club charity.&nbsp; I'd put =
a wanted ad in the club magazines and Healey forums, Facebook pages and hop=
e someone out there might have one. Try Hemphills, Healey Surgeons, David N=
ock, maybe they have one that needs rebuilding somewhere. Or do what I did =
and put a V8 in there!</p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best of l=
uck,</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rick Neville aka &quot;HealeyRick&quot;</p></div>=
</div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto'>&nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:12=E2=80=
=AFAM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>rfbegani@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-r=
ight:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Gentlemen:</span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I ar=
rived back to Florida in May and decide to drive my 67 Austin-Healey.&nbsp;=
 Drove it a mile and heard clanking engine, looked at the oil pressure, It =
was O! Instead of stooping to have towed home, I drove it back slowly.&nbsp=
; Last month, I dropped the pan and started to remove the rod and crank cap=
s and bearings.&nbsp; My mechanic friend said you got lucky the crank may o=
nly need polishing and new bearings.&nbsp; So, I packed and marked each of =
the main bearing caps, bolts, and bearings along with piston rods and caps =
in individual plastic bags. Then packed them into a larger plastic bag whic=
h was put under the workbench near the garbage.&nbsp; We towed the car to M=
ikes garage so he could pull and disassemble the engine.&nbsp; Tuesday, he =
asked me to bring the parts I had removed from the engine so he would have =
everything in one place.&nbsp; I looked around but could not find this blac=
k plastic bag and then remembered it got pitched in the garbage. So, I am n=
ow up the famous creek and am asking this group what I can do?</span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;=
</span></p><ol start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin=
-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am told the engine=
 is finished because the Main Bearing caps are not available and even if yo=
u could find them, they would need to be line bored on the engine.</span></=
li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am told that finding an engine block for a 3000 w=
ith original main bearing caps is almost impossible.</span></li><li class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif'>Finding an engine to be rebuild might be possible.</span></li><=
/ol><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=
&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-=
margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif'>My engine was rebuilt 6000 miles with years ago everything new=
, so I would like to find a way of fixing the existing engine, if possible.=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif'>&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:=
"Arial",sans-serif'>Please give me your advice.</span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Best reg=
ards,</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob Begani</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>67 Austin-Healey BJ8</span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto'><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;</p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________________________=
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