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John, to temporarily simplify things you may want to consider taking the =
throttle switch out of the circuit until you get it working properly. =
Simply connect the two terminals on it with a short wire. This means =
the O/D will engage/disengage instantly (hopefully) and so you want to =
treat the O/D like another gear and use the clutch to take the strain =
off it. Given the cost of rebuilding an O/D, using the clutch when =
engaging/disengaging is a good thing to do anyhow just to preserve it. =
It is probably not a popular thing to do, but the throttle switch was =
disconnected when I bought my BT7 49 years ago. I connected it up once =
but did not like it and disconnected it again by putting a short loop of =
wire between the terminals. I just treat the O/D like another gear and =
use the clutch. Just personal preference.
=20
Regards, Mirek
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Spaur =
via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 10:12 PM
To: 'Hank Leach' <gradea1@charter.net>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
=20
Hank, I have the workshop manuals but the Haynes guide may have =
something I am missing so please send it.
=20
I will try resetting the static setting, fine setting it and then the =
throttle switch
=20
Thanks!
John
=20
From: Hank Leach [mailto:gradea1@charter.net]=20
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 6:49 PM
>
'healeys@autox.team.net' <healeys@autox.team.net =
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
=20
John- it is a .040 feeler gauge that goes under the throttle stop- That =
is equivalent to about 1/5 throttle opening. That is to set the throttle =
switch.=20
=20
The 3/16 drill bit is used to "static set" the position of the solenoid =
lever. I agree, that position is not alway ideal. Fine adjustment is =
made at the arm of the solenoid in which you get it to the maximum lift =
and then when it drops it clears the base about 1/32" at the same time =
gently pushing it in toward the casing to make sure it does not bind. =
Solenoid plunger must drop freely. I can send you that page from Haynes =
manual if it helps you to set the throttle switch. Hank
-----------------------------------------
From: "John Spaur"=20
To: "Hank Leach", "Bob Spidell"
Sent: Sunday July 2 2023 6:01:07PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
I think I understand now.
=20
I need to loosen the arm on the throttle switch, put a 3/16 spacer under =
the throttle stop and adjust the throttle switch so the test light goes =
out and then tighten everything up.
=20
Correct?
=20
-john
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hank =
Leach via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
=20
Bob's got the procedure. Use a .040" feeler gauge (or 3/16 drill) under =
the throttle stop (1/5 of the throttle opening). Connect a 12V test =
light to the fuse box and the top terminal on the throttle switch. (Good =
example in Haynes Manual page 124). Light should go out at this =
adjustment. Solenoid adjustment should be as Bob describes and work =
smoothly-no binding. Hank
-----------------------------------------
From: "Bob Spidell"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday July 2 2023 9:20:10AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
Hi John,
What keeps the O/D from disengaging immediately when you open the dash =
switch is the 'throttle switch.' When the O/D is actuated there is a =
parallel circuit that will keep the O/D activated until you press the =
accelerator pedal, theoretically preventing reverse thrust from damaging =
the O/D. The parallel circuit runs through the throttle switch on the =
scuttle (firewall); it sounds like you need to adjust it. It's a simple =
adjustment using a certain diameter--I don't recall it offhand, but I'll =
look it up if you need it--drill bit under the throttle stop levers. =
There's a small shaft off the throttle mechanism that opens this =
switch--it's just a set of points and a cam inside--with a lever with a =
pinch clamp. Just loosen the pinch clamp, set the bit under the throttle =
stop plate and tighten the clamp.
If you O/D is actuating consistently within a couple seconds or so then =
your solenoid, operating lever, operating shaft and ball 'valve' are =
correct. The 'stick-a-drill-bit-through-the-lever-into-the-housing' =
method is notoriously unreliable; the proper setting is best achieved by =
measuring the lift--IIRC, it's 1/32" but not sure--of the operating =
shaft at the top of the O/D hydraulic section.
Bob
On 7/1/2023 11:55 AM, John Spaur via Healeys wrote:
Hi All,
=20
My overdrive is functioning again after replacing the accumulator =
housing and piston but it is exhibiting an odd behavior which I believe =
is related to the adjustment of the setting lever.
=20
When I open the toggle switch, the OD will sometimes disengage =
immediately instead of waiting until I blip the accelerator. When I =
adjusted the setting lever, I could not use a 3/16=E2=80=9D dowel to =
line up the lever with the hole in the housing I had to advance the =
lever clockwise a bit to get the OD to engage when the toggle switch was =
closed. This has always been the case and this issue is mentioned in =
some articles.
=20
Do I need to fiddle with the setting lever adjustment some more? If so, =
do I rotate it clockwise or counter clockwise?
=20
Any other thoughts?
=20
TIA,
John Spaur
=E2=80=9962 BT7
=20
=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>John, to temporarily simplify things you may want to =
consider taking the throttle switch out of the circuit until you get it =
working properly.=C2=A0 Simply connect the two terminals on it with a =
short wire.=C2=A0 This means the O/D will engage/disengage instantly =
(hopefully) and so you want to treat the O/D like another gear and use =
the clutch to take the strain off it.=C2=A0 Given the cost of rebuilding =
an O/D, using the clutch when engaging/disengaging is a good thing to do =
anyhow just to preserve it.=C2=A0 It is probably not a popular thing to =
do, but the throttle switch was disconnected when I bought my BT7 49 =
years ago.=C2=A0 I connected it up once but did not like it and =
disconnected it again by putting a short loop of wire between the =
terminals.=C2=A0 I just treat the O/D like another gear and use the =
clutch. =C2=A0Just personal preference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Regards, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Spaur =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 2, 2023 10:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Hank Leach' <gradea1@charter.net><br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive =
disengages<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hank, I have the workshop manuals but the Haynes guide may have =
something I am missing so please send it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I will try resetting the static setting, fine setting it and then the =
throttle switch<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Hank Leach =
[<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>mailto:gradea1@charter.net</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 2, 2023 6:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'John Spaur' =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net";>jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>=
<b>Cc:</b> 'Bob Spidell' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>>; =
'healeys@autox.team.net' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] Overdrive =
disengages<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>John- it is a .040 feeler gauge that goes under the =
throttle stop- That is equivalent to about 1/5 throttle opening. That is =
to set the throttle switch. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>The 3/16 drill bit is used to =
"static set" the position of the solenoid lever. I agree, that =
position is not alway ideal. Fine adjustment is made at the arm of the =
solenoid in which you get it to the maximum lift and then when it drops =
it clears the base about 1/32" at the same time gently pushing it =
in toward the casing to make sure it does not bind. Solenoid plunger =
must drop freely. I can send you that page from Haynes manual if it =
helps you to set the throttle switch. Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-US>-----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From: "John Spaur" <br>To: "Hank =
Leach", "Bob Spidell"<br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autoxteam.net";>healeys@autoxteam.net</a><br>Sent: =
Sunday July 2 2023 6:01:07PM<br>Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive =
disengages<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I think I understand now.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I need to loosen the arm on the throttle switch, put a 3/16 spacer =
under the throttle stop and adjust the throttle switch so the test light =
goes out and then tighten everything up.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Correct?</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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> </span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>-john</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of</b> Hank Leach via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 2, 2023 10:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Bob =
Spidell' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>><br><b>C=
c:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Bob's got the procedure. Use a .040" feeler =
gauge (or 3/16 drill) under the throttle stop (1/5 of the throttle =
opening). Connect a 12V test light to the fuse box and the top =
terminal on the throttle switch. (Good example in Haynes Manual page =
124). Light should go out at this adjustment. Solenoid adjustment should =
be as Bob describes and work smoothly-no binding. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-US>-----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From: "Bob Spidell"<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Cc:<=
br>Sent: Sunday July 2 2023 9:20:10AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Overdrive disengages<br><br>Hi John,<br><br>What keeps the O/D from =
disengaging immediately when you open the dash switch is the 'throttle =
switch.' When the O/D is actuated there is a parallel circuit that will =
keep the O/D activated until you press the accelerator pedal, =
theoretically preventing reverse thrust from damaging the O/D. The =
parallel circuit runs through the throttle switch on the scuttle =
(firewall); it sounds like you need to adjust it. It's a simple =
adjustment using a certain diameter--I don't recall it offhand, but I'll =
look it up if you need it--drill bit under the throttle stop levers. =
There's a small shaft off the throttle mechanism that opens this =
switch--it's just a set of points and a cam inside--with a lever with a =
pinch clamp. Just loosen the pinch clamp, set the bit under the throttle =
stop plate and tighten the clamp.<br><br>If you O/D is actuating =
consistently within a couple seconds or so then your solenoid, operating =
lever, operating shaft and ball 'valve' are correct. The =
'stick-a-drill-bit-through-the-lever-into-the-housing' method is =
notoriously unreliable; the proper setting is best achieved by measuring =
the lift--IIRC, it's 1/32" but not sure--of the operating shaft at =
the top of the O/D hydraulic =
section.<br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On 7/1/2023 11:55 AM, John Spaur via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>My overdrive is functioning again after replacing the =
accumulator housing and piston but it is exhibiting an odd behavior =
which I believe is related to the adjustment of the setting =
lever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>When I open the toggle switch, the OD will sometimes =
disengage immediately instead of waiting until I blip the accelerator. =
When I adjusted the setting lever, I could not use a 3/16=E2=80=9D dowel =
to line up the lever with the hole in the housing I had to advance the =
lever clockwise a bit to get the OD to engage when the toggle switch was =
closed. This has always been the case and this issue is mentioned in =
some articles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Do I need to fiddle with the setting lever adjustment some =
more? If so, do I rotate it clockwise or counter =
clockwise?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Any other thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>John Spaur<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
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