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To: m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
From: Tom <ah3000me@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:53:29 -0400
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I noticed my overdrive disengaging when I've run it for a while on a hot
day, so this discussion has been interesting.

Are we discussing two different adjustments, one on the overdrive unit
itself,  using the 3/16 drill bit method described by Norm Nock in his tech
tips book, and the other the switch controlled by the accelerator pedal?

I'm interested in the former right now, so if you could clarify the .040 or
1/32 you're measuring, that would help.

thanks!

Tom


On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 5:10=E2=80=AFPM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Perhaps I am missing something, but 0.040=E2=80=9D is not equivalent to 3=
/16=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Hank
> Leach via Healeys
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 2, 2023 1:24 PM
> *To:* 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Cc:* 'healeys@autox.team.net' <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
>
>
>
> Bob's got the procedure.  Use a .040" feeler gauge (or 3/16 drill) under
> the throttle stop (1/5 of the throttle opening).  Connect a 12V test ligh=
t
> to the fuse box and the top terminal on the throttle switch. (Good exampl=
e
> in Haynes Manual page 124). Light should go out at this adjustment.
> Solenoid adjustment should be as Bob describes and work smoothly-no
> binding. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob Spidell"
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday July 2 2023 9:20:10AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengages
>
> Hi John,
>
> What keeps the O/D from disengaging immediately when you open the dash
> switch is the 'throttle switch.' When the O/D is actuated there is a
> parallel circuit that will keep the O/D activated until you press the
> accelerator pedal, theoretically preventing reverse thrust from damaging
> the O/D. The parallel circuit runs through the throttle switch on the
> scuttle (firewall); it sounds like you need to adjust it. It's a simple
> adjustment using a certain diameter--I don't recall it offhand, but I'll
> look it up if you need it--drill bit under the throttle stop levers.
> There's a small shaft off the throttle mechanism that opens this
> switch--it's just a set of points and a cam inside--with a lever with a
> pinch clamp. Just loosen the pinch clamp, set the bit under the throttle
> stop plate and tighten the clamp.
>
> If you O/D is actuating consistently within a couple seconds or so then
> your solenoid, operating lever, operating shaft and ball 'valve' are
> correct. The 'stick-a-drill-bit-through-the-lever-into-the-housing' metho=
d
> is notoriously unreliable; the proper setting is best achieved by measuri=
ng
> the lift--IIRC, it's 1/32" but not sure--of the operating shaft at the to=
p
> of the O/D hydraulic section.
>
> Bob
>
> On 7/1/2023 11:55 AM, John Spaur via Healeys wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> My overdrive is functioning again after replacing the accumulator housing
> and piston but it is exhibiting an odd behavior which I believe is relate=
d
> to the adjustment of the setting lever.
>
>
>
> When I open the toggle switch, the OD will sometimes disengage immediatel=
y
> instead of waiting until I blip the accelerator. When I adjusted the
> setting lever, I could not use a 3/16=E2=80=9D dowel to line up the lever=
 with the
> hole in the housing. I had to advance the lever clockwise a bit to get th=
e
> OD to engage when the toggle switch was closed. This has always been the
> case and this issue is mentioned in some articles.
>
>
>
> Do I need to fiddle with the setting lever adjustment some more? If so, d=
o
> I rotate it clockwise or counter clockwise?
>
>
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> John Spaur
>
> =E2=80=9962 BT7
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I noticed my overdrive disengaging when I&#39;ve run it fo=
r a while on a hot day, so this discussion has been interesting.<div><br></=
div><div>Are we discussing two different adjustments, one on the overdrive =
unit itself,=C2=A0 using the 3/16 drill bit method described by Norm Nock i=
n his tech tips book, and the other the switch controlled by the accelerato=
r pedal?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m interested in the former right no=
w, so if you could clarify the .040 or 1/32 you&#39;re measuring, that woul=
d help.</div><div><br></div><div>thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div>=
<div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 5:10=E2=80=AFPM m.g.sharp--- via Hea=
leys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv class=3D"msg7856076877213417213"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-w=
rap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_7856076877213417213WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Perhaps I am missing something, but 0.040=E2=80=9D is =
not equivalent to 3/16=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:no=
ne;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225=
);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-boun=
ces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt=
; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hank Leach via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 2=
, 2023 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Bob Spidell&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bs=
pidell@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc=
:</b> &#39;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a>&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hea=
leys] Overdrive disengages<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-b=
ottom:12pt">Bob&#39;s got the procedure.=C2=A0 Use a .040&quot; feeler gaug=
e (or 3/16 drill) under the throttle stop (1/5 of the throttle opening).=C2=
=A0 Connect a 12V test light to the fuse box and the top terminal on the th=
rottle switch. (Good example in Haynes Manual page 124). Light should go ou=
t at this adjustment. Solenoid adjustment should be as Bob describes and wo=
rk smoothly-no binding. Hank<u></u><u></u></p><p>--------------------------=
---------------<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12pt">From: &quot;Bob Spidell&quot; <br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Sent=
: Sunday July 2 2023 9:20:10AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive disengag=
es<br><br>Hi John,<br><br>What keeps the O/D from disengaging immediately w=
hen you open the dash switch is the &#39;throttle switch.&#39; When the O/D=
 is actuated there is a parallel circuit that will keep the O/D activated u=
ntil you press the accelerator pedal, theoretically preventing reverse thru=
st from damaging the O/D. The parallel circuit runs through the throttle sw=
itch on the scuttle (firewall); it sounds like you need to adjust it. It&#3=
9;s a simple adjustment using a certain diameter--I don&#39;t recall it off=
hand, but I&#39;ll look it up if you need it--drill bit under the throttle =
stop levers. There&#39;s a small shaft off the throttle mechanism that open=
s this switch--it&#39;s just a set of points and a cam inside--with a lever=
 with a pinch clamp. Just loosen the pinch clamp, set the bit under the thr=
ottle stop plate and tighten the clamp.<br><br>If you O/D is actuating cons=
istently within a couple seconds or so then your solenoid, operating lever,=
 operating shaft and ball &#39;valve&#39; are correct. The &#39;stick-a-dri=
ll-bit-through-the-lever-into-the-housing&#39; method is notoriously unreli=
able; the proper setting is best achieved by measuring the lift--IIRC, it&#=
39;s 1/32&quot; but not sure--of the operating shaft at the top of the O/D =
hydraulic section.<br><br>Bob<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">On 7/1/2023 11:55 AM, John Spaur via Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My overdrive is functioning again after=
 replacing the accumulator housing and piston but it is exhibiting an odd b=
ehavior which I believe is related to the adjustment of the setting lever.<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">When I open the toggle switch, the OD will sometimes disengage =
immediately instead of waiting until I blip the accelerator. When I adjuste=
d the setting lever, I could not use a 3/16=E2=80=9D dowel to line up the l=
ever with the hole in the housing. I had to advance the lever clockwise a b=
it to get the OD to engage when the toggle switch was closed. This has alwa=
ys been the case and this issue is mentioned in some articles.<u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Do I need to fiddle with the setting lever adjustment some more? If so, do =
I rotate it clockwise or counter clockwise?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any other thoughts?=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">TIA,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John Spaur<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=9962 BT7<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></blockquote><p class=3D"Mso=
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