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After a couple of unsuccessful attempts I managed to figure out a way to
modify the internals of a 100 water pump to use the seal from an early 6
cylinder type. I've had it on my car for 5000 miles now without problems.
M
On Sun., Jan. 8, 2023, 8:43 a.m. jmsdarch--- via Healeys, <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> There is a carbon water seal that needs to be seated; hence the need to
> run it dry for a bit.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jean Caro=
n
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:48 PM
> *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps
>
>
>
> From what I have been told, the County pump sold by Moss should be run dr=
y
> for about 30 seconds not sure why when I was told that, I had never of
> such thing.
>
> Having said that, I do not purchase new pumps, I have originals rebuilt.
> The place I use, is not inexpensive, but their work is fantastic, that is
> enough for me.
>
> The place is:
>
> John Stuart Power Brake, 349 Millen Rd. N., Stoney Creek Ontario L8E 2H3=
.
>
> PH: 905-662-7274 or 800-309-1995
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell
> <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 7, 2023 5:40:27 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps
>
>
>
> Just went through this ordeal. As you know, there isn't much choice for
> 100 pumps from the 'usual suspects;' it's either County or 'uprated.'
> 'Uprated' is a brand called 'Bastuck;' I believe they're a German
> company. They do appear to have a somewhat better-designed impeller and
> compared to County they turn smoother (you probably know I'm not a big
> fan of County). Though otherwise a decent pump, the Bastucks have two
> issues:
>
> 1) The thread for the heater return line--it's probably metric--will not
> fit the 100s nifty brass valve; you're stuck using the barbed nipple
> that comes with the pump. Disappointing since I've tried to keep my 100M
> original as much as possible and I have a lovely, original brass valve I
> can't use.
>
> 2) The pump body has a threaded plug; for god-knows-what reason the
> threads are extremely loose and all but impossible to seal up. I tried
> the usual teflon tape, red threadlocker, 'normal' pipe sealant and JB
> Weld and none would seal even without being under pressure (the threads
> are really rough). I ended up brazing the plug on one pump, but feared I
> might have damaged the seal due to the heat required (oxy/acetylene) to
> heat the cast iron. In desperation, I bought a County pump but the
> bearings felt a bit rough. I got a tip from another Lister and sprung
> for a new Bastuck pump; the lister pointed me to this (apparently) new
> product from Permatex (NFI):
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ac=
ehardware.com%2Fdepartments%2Fautomotive-rv-and-marine%2Fauto-tools-and-mai=
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kI4%3D&reserved=3D0
>
> This stuff worked a treat, but be sure to follow the instructions re:
> cleaning and let this stuff cure for 72 hrs.
>
> I've seen 'OEM/rebuilt' on eBay but can't vouch for them (they
> apparently have an older type seal). Tom Monaco knows someone he trusts
> who rebuilds them, but the guy's backlogged and Tom hasn't remembered to
> let me know when he gets some done (I've already pestered him a couple
> times). Any rebuilt OEM is liable to run $400 or more. Oh, and last I
> checked the Bastuck were sold out; BNP had some but apparently they took
> them off the shelf (possibly because of the issue with the sloppy plug).
>
> Wanna buy my new, in-the-box County pump? FWIW, the County pump I
> received has a similar barbed nipple for the return line and it appears
> to be epoxied in.
>
> Bob
>
> On 1/7/2023 1:13 PM, Richard Mayor wrote:
> > Anyone have any experience with the "uprated" BN1-BN2 water pumps
> > being sold by Moss? I can see in the pictures that there is a brand
> > name......and it's not County.
> >
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<div dir=3D"auto">After a couple of unsuccessful=C2=A0attempts I=C2=A0 mana=
ged to figure out a way to modify the internals of a 100 water pump to use =
the seal from an early 6 cylinder type. I've had it on my car for 5000 =
miles now without problems.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Sun., Jan. 8, 2023, 8:43 a.m. jmsdarch--- via Healeys, <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vli=
nk=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_-2025439909374=
730444WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is a carbon water seal tha=
t needs to be seated; hence the need to run it dry for a bit.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">J=
ohn<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><d=
iv style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0i=
n 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:he=
aleys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-=
bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<br><b>Sent:</=
b> Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <<a href=
=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspid=
ell@comcast.net</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps<u></u><u></u></p></div></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>From what I have been told, the County pump sold by Moss should be run dry=
for about 30 seconds not sure why=C2=A0 when I was told that, I had never =
of such thing.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Having sa=
id that, I do not purchase new pumps, I have originals rebuilt. The place I=
use, is not inexpensive, but their work is fantastic, that is enough for m=
e.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The place is:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John Stuart Power Brake, 349 Mi=
llen Rd. N., Stoney Creek=C2=A0 Ontario L8E 2H3.<u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">PH: 905-662-7274 or 800-309-1995<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"color:#212121"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212121">Jean<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
</div><div id=3D"m_-2025439909374730444ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s larg=
est network.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"cente=
r" style=3D"text-align:center"><hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center=
"></div><div id=3D"m_-2025439909374730444divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on be=
half of Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspidell@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Satu=
rday, January 7, 2023 5:40:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</=
a> <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
New up-rated 100/4 water pumps</span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just went through this ordeal. As you kno=
w, there isn't much choice for <br>100 pumps from the 'usual suspec=
ts;' it's either County or 'uprated.' <br>'Uprated'=
is a brand called 'Bastuck;' I believe they're a German <br>co=
mpany. They do appear to have a somewhat better-designed impeller and <br>c=
ompared to County they turn smoother (you probably know I'm not a big <=
br>fan of County). Though otherwise a decent pump, the Bastucks have two <b=
r>issues:<br><br>1) The thread for the heater return line--it's probabl=
y metric--will not <br>fit the 100s nifty brass valve; you're stuck usi=
ng the barbed nipple <br>that comes with the pump. Disappointing since I=
9;ve tried to keep my 100M <br>original as much as possible and I have a lo=
vely, original brass valve I <br>can't use.<br><br>2) The pump body has=
a threaded plug; for god-knows-what reason the <br>threads are extremely l=
oose and all but impossible to seal up. I tried <br>the usual teflon tape, =
red threadlocker, 'normal' pipe sealant and JB <br>Weld and none wo=
uld seal even without being under pressure (the threads <br>are really roug=
h). I ended up brazing the plug on one pump, but feared I <br>might have da=
maged the seal due to the heat required (oxy/acetylene) to <br>heat the cas=
t iron. In desperation, I bought a County pump but the <br>bearings felt a =
bit rough. I got a tip from another Lister and sprung <br>for a new Bastuck=
pump; the lister pointed me to this (apparently) new <br>product from Perm=
atex (NFI):<br><br><a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com=
/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.acehardware.com%2Fdepartments%2Fautomotive-rv-and=
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re%3D18108%26gclid%3DCj0KCQiAzeSdBhC4ARIsACj36uFxSKbyc_YqZGVj2GT45zIVvOr1cj=
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pspdVfjfsAdUFRZOkTa0DERqNuvjSDFgPMfdkI4%3D&reserved=3D0" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.acehardware.com%2Fdepartments%2Fautomotive-rv-and-mari=
ne%2Fauto-tools-and-maintenance%2Fautomotive-adhesives%2F8008863%3Fstore%3D=
18108%26gclid%3DCj0KCQiAzeSdBhC4ARIsACj36uFxSKbyc_YqZGVj2GT45zIVvOr1cj-EUgn=
2PEmMOG3lBFpIIcC08bMaAv21EALw_wcB%26gclsrc%3Daw.ds&data=3D05%7C01%7C%7C=
c93c8db6f5a94b923c0308daf10d6618%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0=
%7C638087337111767864%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV=
2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D2GrFpspdV=
fjfsAdUFRZOkTa0DERqNuvjSDFgPMfdkI4%3D&reserved=3D0</a><br><br>This stuf=
f worked a treat, but be sure to follow the instructions re: <br>cleaning a=
nd let this stuff cure for 72 hrs.<br><br>I've seen 'OEM/rebuilt=
9; on eBay but can't vouch for them (they <br>apparently have an older =
type seal). Tom Monaco knows someone he trusts <br>who rebuilds them, but t=
he guy's backlogged and Tom hasn't remembered to <br>let me know wh=
en he gets some done (I've already pestered him a couple <br>times). An=
y rebuilt OEM is liable to run $400 or more. Oh, and last I <br>checked the=
Bastuck were sold out; BNP had some but apparently they took <br>them off =
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