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There is a carbon water seal that needs to be seated; hence the need to run
it dry for a bit.
John
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:48 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps
>From what I have been told, the County pump sold by Moss should be run dry
for about 30 seconds not sure why when I was told that, I had never of such
thing.
Having said that, I do not purchase new pumps, I have originals rebuilt. The
place I use, is not inexpensive, but their work is fantastic, that is enough
for me.
The place is:
John Stuart Power Brake, 349 Millen Rd. N., Stoney Creek Ontario L8E 2H3.
PH: 905-662-7274 or 800-309-1995
Jean
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 5:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps
Just went through this ordeal. As you know, there isn't much choice for
100 pumps from the 'usual suspects;' it's either County or 'uprated.'
'Uprated' is a brand called 'Bastuck;' I believe they're a German
company. They do appear to have a somewhat better-designed impeller and
compared to County they turn smoother (you probably know I'm not a big
fan of County). Though otherwise a decent pump, the Bastucks have two
issues:
1) The thread for the heater return line--it's probably metric--will not
fit the 100s nifty brass valve; you're stuck using the barbed nipple
that comes with the pump. Disappointing since I've tried to keep my 100M
original as much as possible and I have a lovely, original brass valve I
can't use.
2) The pump body has a threaded plug; for god-knows-what reason the
threads are extremely loose and all but impossible to seal up. I tried
the usual teflon tape, red threadlocker, 'normal' pipe sealant and JB
Weld and none would seal even without being under pressure (the threads
are really rough). I ended up brazing the plug on one pump, but feared I
might have damaged the seal due to the heat required (oxy/acetylene) to
heat the cast iron. In desperation, I bought a County pump but the
bearings felt a bit rough. I got a tip from another Lister and sprung
for a new Bastuck pump; the lister pointed me to this (apparently) new
product from Permatex (NFI):
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This stuff worked a treat, but be sure to follow the instructions re:
cleaning and let this stuff cure for 72 hrs.
I've seen 'OEM/rebuilt' on eBay but can't vouch for them (they
apparently have an older type seal). Tom Monaco knows someone he trusts
who rebuilds them, but the guy's backlogged and Tom hasn't remembered to
let me know when he gets some done (I've already pestered him a couple
times). Any rebuilt OEM is liable to run $400 or more. Oh, and last I
checked the Bastuck were sold out; BNP had some but apparently they took
them off the shelf (possibly because of the issue with the sloppy plug).
Wanna buy my new, in-the-box County pump? FWIW, the County pump I
received has a similar barbed nipple for the return line and it appears
to be epoxied in.
Bob
On 1/7/2023 1:13 PM, Richard Mayor wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with the "uprated" BN1-BN2 water pumps
> being sold by Moss? I can see in the pictures that there is a brand
> name......and it's not County.
>
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>There is a carbon water seal =
that needs to be seated; hence the need to run it dry for a =
bit.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean =
Caron<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] New up-rated =
100/4 water pumps<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>From =
what I have been told, the County pump sold by Moss should be run dry =
for about 30 seconds not sure why when I was told that, I had =
never of such thing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Having said that, I do not purchase new pumps, I have =
originals rebuilt. The place I use, is not inexpensive, but their work =
is fantastic, that is enough for me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The place is:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John Stuart Power Brake, 349 Millen Rd. N., Stoney =
Creek Ontario L8E 2H3.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>PH: 905-662-7274 or =
800-309-1995<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
id=3Dms-outlook-mobile-signature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my Bell =
Samsung device over Canada’s largest =
network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Healeys <<a =
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.net</a>> on behalf of Bob Spidell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>><br><b>S=
ent:</b> Saturday, January 7, 2023 5:40:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] New up-rated 100/4 water pumps</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Just went through this =
ordeal. As you know, there isn't much choice for <br>100 pumps from the =
'usual suspects;' it's either County or 'uprated.' <br>'Uprated' is a =
brand called 'Bastuck;' I believe they're a German <br>company. They do =
appear to have a somewhat better-designed impeller and <br>compared to =
County they turn smoother (you probably know I'm not a big <br>fan of =
County). Though otherwise a decent pump, the Bastucks have two =
<br>issues:<br><br>1) The thread for the heater return line--it's =
probably metric--will not <br>fit the 100s nifty brass valve; you're =
stuck using the barbed nipple <br>that comes with the pump. =
Disappointing since I've tried to keep my 100M <br>original as much as =
possible and I have a lovely, original brass valve I <br>can't =
use.<br><br>2) The pump body has a threaded plug; for god-knows-what =
reason the <br>threads are extremely loose and all but impossible to =
seal up. I tried <br>the usual teflon tape, red threadlocker, 'normal' =
pipe sealant and JB <br>Weld and none would seal even without being =
under pressure (the threads <br>are really rough). I ended up brazing =
the plug on one pump, but feared I <br>might have damaged the seal due =
to the heat required (oxy/acetylene) to <br>heat the cast iron. In =
desperation, I bought a County pump but the <br>bearings felt a bit =
rough. I got a tip from another Lister and sprung <br>for a new Bastuck =
pump; the lister pointed me to this (apparently) new <br>product from =
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sure to follow the instructions re: <br>cleaning and let this stuff cure =
for 72 hrs.<br><br>I've seen 'OEM/rebuilt' on eBay but can't vouch for =
them (they <br>apparently have an older type seal). Tom Monaco knows =
someone he trusts <br>who rebuilds them, but the guy's backlogged and =
Tom hasn't remembered to <br>let me know when he gets some done (I've =
already pestered him a couple <br>times). Any rebuilt OEM is liable to =
run $400 or more. Oh, and last I <br>checked the Bastuck were sold out; =
BNP had some but apparently they took <br>them off the shelf (possibly =
because of the issue with the sloppy plug).<br><br>Wanna buy my new, =
in-the-box County pump? FWIW, the County pump I <br>received has a =
similar barbed nipple for the return line and it appears <br>to be =
epoxied in.<br><br>Bob<br><br>On 1/7/2023 1:13 PM, Richard Mayor =
wrote:<br>> Anyone have any experience with the "uprated" =
BN1-BN2 water pumps <br>> being sold by Moss? I can see in the =
pictures that there is a brand <br>> name......and it's not =
County.<br>><br>> =
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