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To: Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift
From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 17:46:49 -0400
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Hi Jon--

>From my experience (and too much of it) things only break on our race cars
when we are racing!
Are you doing Lime Rock on Labor Day?  I will be there with the Ginetta.

Best--Michael

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:30 PM Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice@gmail.co=
m>
wrote:

> We've taken the transmission out at the track (at least twice that I
> recall), to install new clutches, but to rebuild the engine, its a lot
> easier to haul both out together with an engine lift.
>
> jon
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 3:34 PM HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Having done this a few times, I'd install the engine and trans together.
>> Getting the trans lined up requires a lot of rotational twisting of a he=
avy
>> trans.  No thanks.
>>
>> Rick Neville
>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:58 PM Bruce Steele via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Having pulled and installed the engine and trans as a unit twice and th=
e
>>> trans once, I=E2=80=99m of the opinion that installing the engine witho=
ut the trans
>>> is probably easier as far as the engine itself goes.  The clearances
>>> between the top of the bellhousing and the firewall and the crank pulle=
y
>>> and front cross member are small, requiring a lot of finesse and small
>>> adjustments to wiggle the unit in place.  Plus someone with a strong ba=
ck
>>> and a belt under the tail of the trans/OD is needed to lift it up over =
the
>>> X brace.  However if done separately, you=E2=80=99d have to get the for=
e-aft
>>> vertical alignment right and then support the aft end of the engine whi=
le
>>> you align the input shaft to the pilot bearing and bolt the bellhousing=
 to
>>> the engine.  That  was no piece of cake for me when I had the trans out
>>> with the engine in place.  On balance, I=E2=80=99d rather connect the e=
ngine and
>>> trans out of the car and install them as a unit.  But that=E2=80=99s ju=
st me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Steele
>>>
>>> Brea, CA
>>>
>>> 1960 BN7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *=
Michael
>>> MacLean
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:30 AM
>>> *To:* Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw@gmail.com>; Ahealey help <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Engine lift
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How difficult is it to drop the engine in first then the trans through
>>> the passenger compartment?
>>>
>>> Mike macLean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 8:07 PM Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike, I R&Rd both a six and a four by myself. You can do it too. If it
>>> doesn't look right or feel right just back everything up and start over
>>> when you are fresh. Cover the shroud and the opening with towels or mov=
ers
>>> blankets to give you another quarter inch to change your mind. With the
>>> engine and tranny combo you will be tilting the engine a lot. Either ra=
ise
>>> the car an inch or so or be prepared to crawl underneath and pull the
>>> tranny tail back. Watch the sheet metal interface with the engine block=
.
>>>
>>> -Roland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 4:15 PM Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.co=
m>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a cherry picker and a load leveler to lift the engine for my
>>> BN2.  What's the best way to attach the lift to the engine to install i=
t in
>>> the car?
>>>
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Hi Jo=
n--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">From my experience (and t=
oo much of it) things only break on our race cars when we are racing!</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Are you doing Lime Roc=
k on Labor Day?=C2=A0 I will be there with the Ginetta.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 27, 2=
022 at 5:30 PM Jonathan Einhorn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:einhornlawoffice@gmai=
l.com">einhornlawoffice@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">We&#39;ve taken the trans=
mission out at the track (at least=C2=A0twice that I recall), to install ne=
w clutches, but to rebuild the engine, its a lot easier=C2=A0to haul both o=
ut together=C2=A0with an engine=C2=A0lift.<div><br></div><div>jon</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On W=
ed, Jul 27, 2022 at 3:34 PM HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Having done th=
is a few times, I&#39;d install the engine and trans together.=C2=A0 Gettin=
g the trans lined up requires a lot of rotational twisting of a heavy trans=
.=C2=A0 No thanks.<div><br></div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div id=3D"gm=
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><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, J=
ul 27, 2022 at 12:58 PM Bruce Steele via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN=
-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet=
 MS&quot;,sans-serif">Having pulled and installed the engine and trans as a=
 unit twice and the trans once, I=E2=80=99m of the opinion that installing =
the engine without the trans is probably easier as far as the engine itself=
 goes.=C2=A0 The clearances between the top of the bellhousing and the fire=
wall and the crank pulley and front cross member are small, requiring a lot=
 of finesse and small adjustments to wiggle the unit in place.=C2=A0 Plus s=
omeone with a strong back and a belt under the tail of the trans/OD is need=
ed to lift it up over the X brace.=C2=A0 However if done separately, you=E2=
=80=99d have to get the fore-aft vertical alignment right and then support =
the aft end of the engine while you align the input shaft to the pilot bear=
ing and bolt the bellhousing to the engine.=C2=A0 That =C2=A0was no piece o=
f cake for me when I had the trans out with the engine in place.=C2=A0 On b=
alance, I=E2=80=99d rather connect the engine and trans out of the car and =
install them as a unit.=C2=A0 But that=E2=80=99s just me.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS=
&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif">Bruce Steele<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif">Brea, CA<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-s=
erif">1960 BN7<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-famil=
y:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>Michael MacLean<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:=
30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Roland Wilhelmy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt;; Ahealey help &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team=
.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Engine lift<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">How difficult is it to drop the engine in first then the trans =
through the passenger compartment?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Mike macLean<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 26, 2=
022 at 8:07 PM Roland Wilhelmy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:no=
ne;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-le=
ft:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike, I R&amp;Rd bot=
h a six and a four by myself. You can do it too. If it doesn&#39;t look rig=
ht or feel right just back everything up and start over when you are fresh.=
 Cover the shroud and the opening with towels or movers blankets to give yo=
u another quarter inch to change your mind. With the engine and tranny comb=
o you will be tilting the engine a lot. Either raise the car an inch or so =
or be prepared to crawl underneath and pull the tranny tail back. Watch the=
 sheet metal interface with the engine block.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Roland<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul=
 26, 2022, 4:15 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:springer.mike51@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">springer.mike51@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;bord=
er-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a=
 cherry picker and a load leveler to lift the engine for my BN2.=C2=A0 What=
&#39;s the best way to attach the lift to the engine to install it in the c=
ar?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike MacLean<u></u><u></u>=
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