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Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

To: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter
From: jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 16:31:19 +0000 (UTC)
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 High resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter (likely corr=
osion) to ground


(battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(ground)measure voltage across =
solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)
Jim

connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zer=
o) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy curren=
t path accordingly ...

    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via =
Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Hello

 =C2=A0

A problem to consider.

 =C2=A0

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Re=
built about five years back, but seen next to no use.

 =C2=A0

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so ch=
arged it, but no change.=C2=A0 Tried a brand new battery, but still no move=
ment.

 =C2=A0

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on=
 the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?

 =C2=A0

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels no=
t fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but n=
o more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon=
 lose interest in this manoeuvre.=20

 =C2=A0

What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on =
and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?

 =C2=A0

Any opinions out there?

 =C2=A0

Many thanks

 =C2=A0

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0


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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">High resistance in heavy cur=
rent path from battery to starter (likely corrosion) to ground<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(battery)--&gt;=
&gt;--(solenoid)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&gt;--(ground)measure voltage acro=
ss solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">Jim</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should b=
e zero) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy c=
urrent path accordingly ...<br></div><div><br></div>
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107327yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp;=
 Caroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055=
204MsoNormal">Hello</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to consider.=
</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"y=
dp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. =
An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen nex=
t to no use.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movem=
ent from the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp=
; Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107=
327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whi=
rr away on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down u=
nder load?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p =
class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try and turn=
 the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a lar=
ge screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It m=
oves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same =
in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvr=
e. </p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t=
 the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something a=
t the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?<=
/p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yd=
p8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Any opinions out there?</p><p class=3D"ydp=
8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205=
5204MsoNormal">Many thanks</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal=
"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</=
p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<=
/p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yd=
p8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv37920=
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