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Re: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:17:44 -0700
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The "2in block" admonition was to make sure the suspension was at the 
correct ride height when tightening it down, say, after replacing the 
lower A-arm bushings (not a job you want to do too often). If this isn't 
done, the bushings could be in a bind/twisted, which would likely cause 
them to degrade quickly and could affect suspension geometry and 
handling. Beneficial side effects are a) keeping the bump stops  from 
being crushed to oblivion when raising the car by the chassis and, b) 
avoiding stress on the moving suspension parts. AFAIK, 2in is the 
correct setting for 6-cyl cars as well. I went to the hardware store and 
found a couple large bolts--5/8" thread or so--that were 2 inches long.

The OEM A-arm bushings were rubber bound to a steel insert (there's a 
brand name but I can't think of it). They were 'pinched' in their 
brackets and, supposedly, contributed some elasticity to the suspension; 
begs the question: Does using urethane or nylon bushes affect handling* 
and durability? Also, have been told the lower A-arm rear brackets 
extend out farther than the front, pushing the lower A-arm trunnion 
forward, which creates/contributes to caster. Anyone know for sure?

All told, kind of a wonky way to rig a suspension, with no adjustment 
for camber or caster.

* In my experience, they do take some sloppiness out of the steering.


On 4/16/2022 12:56 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Bob-that caution was to insert a wood block on the shelf between the 
> shock arm and the plate...opposite the rubber bump stop. If you hang 
> the suspension without the block, it will crush the bumper.
>
> On the 100 it would use a 2" block (I use a chunk of 1-1/8" plywood 
> sub floor) as it holds up better than just a piece of wood. For the 
> 6-cylinders I think it is 1-1/2" block. That is why the book suggests 
> you lift the front wheels from under the spring plate, rather than any 
> frame member. If you lift the car from the cross member you need two 
> blocks-one on each shock tower...Be sure to remove them when you lower 
> the car. If you forget and drive away, they are probably out on the 
> road somewhere. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob Begani via Healeys"
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday April 16 2022 12:42:30PM
> Subject: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress
>
> I have been using my Quikjack for the past few weeks to pull the trans 
> and rear of the engine to install the new plate gasket with lots of 
> Right Stuff Permatex sealant and have just got the trans back in. 
> During this time, I would lower the car back on the tires as one of 
> you mentioned that the front shocks wishbone could be damaged by the 
> weight of the tire if left to long on the lift.  Please remind me 
> about the problem and how to use a wooden stick and where to insert.
>
> Pictures?
>
> I hope to have the Healey on the road next week so I can see if the 
> oil leak problem has been solved for good.  Using Oil Dye there was 
> very little oil shown which may have been cause by not torquing the 
> plate bolts.  After torquing the right stuff squeezed out in a few 
> places so I am hopeful no more oil on the garage floor after a run.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Begani
>
> BJ8 67
>
>

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    The "2in block" admonition was to make sure the suspension was at
    the correct ride height when tightening it down, say, after
    replacing the lower A-arm bushings (not a job you want to do too
    often). If this isn't done, the bushings could be in a bind/twisted,
    which would likely cause them to degrade quickly and could affect
    suspension geometry and handling. Beneficial side effects are a)
    keeping the bump stops  from being crushed to oblivion when raising
    the car by the chassis and, b) avoiding stress on the moving
    suspension parts. AFAIK, 2in is the correct setting for 6-cyl cars
    as well. I went to the hardware store and found a couple large
    bolts--5/8" thread or so--that were 2 inches long.<br>
    <br>
    The OEM A-arm bushings were rubber bound to a steel insert (there's
    a brand name but I can't think of it). They were 'pinched' in their
    brackets and, supposedly, contributed some elasticity to the
    suspension; begs the question: Does using urethane or nylon bushes
    affect handling* and durability? Also, have been told the lower
    A-arm rear brackets extend out farther than the front, pushing the
    lower A-arm trunnion forward, which creates/contributes to caster.
    Anyone know for sure?<br>
    <br>
    All told, kind of a wonky way to rig a suspension, with no
    adjustment for camber or caster.<br>
    <br>
    * In my experience, they do take some sloppiness out of the
    steering.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2022 12:56 PM, Henry G Leach
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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      Bob-that caution was to insert a wood block on the shelf between
      the shock arm and the plate...opposite the rubber bump stop. If
      you hang the suspension without the block, it will crush the
      bumper.
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      <div>On the 100 it would use a 2" block (I use a chunk of 1-1/8"
        plywood sub floor) as it holds up better than just a piece of
        wood. For the 6-cylinders I think it is 1-1/2" block. That is
        why the book suggests you lift the front wheels from under the
        spring plate, rather than any frame member. If you lift the car
        from the cross member you need two blocks-one on each shock
        tower...Be sure to remove them when you lower the car. If you
        forget and drive away, they are probably out on the road
        somewhere. Hank<br>
        <br>
        <p>-----------------------------------------</p>
        From: "Bob Begani via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
          Cc: <br>
          Sent: Saturday April 16 2022 12:42:30PM<br>
          Subject: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">I
                have been using
                my Quikjack for the past few weeks to pull the trans and
                rear of
                the engine to install the new plate gasket with lots of
                Right Stuff
                Permatex sealant and have just got the trans back in. 
                During
                this time, I would lower the car back on the tires as
                one of you
                mentioned that the front shocks wishbone could be
                damaged by the
                weight of the tire if left to long on the lift.  Please
                remind
                me about the problem and how to use a wooden stick and
                where to
                insert.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, 
sans-serif;">Pictures?</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, 
sans-serif;"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">I
                hope to have
                the Healey on the road next week so I can see if the oil
                leak
                problem has been solved for good.  Using Oil Dye there
                was
                very little oil shown which may have been cause by not
                torquing the
                plate bolts.  After torquing the right stuff squeezed
                out in a
                few places so I am hopeful no more oil on the garage
                floor after a
                run.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, 
sans-serif;"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, 
sans-serif;">Regards,</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, 
sans-serif;"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Bob
                Begani</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">BJ8
                67</span></p>
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