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Re: [Healeys] Top Bows

To: Perry Small <healeyguy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Top Bows
From: Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:33:30 -0500
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That man knows of what he speaks =F0=9F=91=8D

On Fri., Jan. 14, 2022, 3:43 p.m. Perry Small via Healeys, <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Like most phases of restoring a car it requires building up the car with
> the available parts and see how things fit together, sometimes multiple
> times. Especially true for the cowl, guards, doors, side curtains and
> windshield. Then the finishing of those parts can be done. This applies t=
o
> new parts obtained from the best suppliers. They rarely fit properly to a=
ll
> the old bits you are trying to reuse.
> Perry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I fully expect this job to be quite an exercise.
> Mike M
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:01 PM Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Figure that you will be using an array of shims to fit the chrome
>> uprights to the windshield frame and several trial fits -- unless the go=
ds
>> are really smiling at you. The shims go between the body and the upright=
s
>> (which are partly painted). Then there's the angle of the windshield tha=
t
>> can be varied a bit. Remember perseverance furthers.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 10:31 PM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it opens and closes easy enough.  It looks straight, but like
>>> every other part used on this car, it's not original to the car.  I don=
't
>>> think it is going to be a big problem.  Now the windscreen assembly wit=
h
>>> ALL unrelated parts may be another matter.  The distance between the
>>> windscreen and chrome uprights was set during the body work, but that i=
s no
>>> guarantee there will be no problem fitting it.  Couple that with the fa=
ct
>>> this will be the first time I put a windscreen together for a big Heale=
y.
>>> When the time comes, there will be questions.  Heck, I have not found a
>>> part yet that did not need considerable work to make it fit.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:05:32 PM PST, Roland Wilhelmy via
>>> Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> good choice, I think.  Have you test installed the frame in your car
>>> yet?  Most frames I have come in contact with are bent in ways that don=
't
>>> cooperate with folding and unfolding or with alignment with the windshi=
eld
>>> posts.  They require a bit of 'reasoning'.  Sometimes a hammer and anvi=
l,
>>> sometimes some homemade tools that look like crescent wrenches  with ja=
ws
>>> wrapped in tape.  May you be luckier.
>>> -Roland
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael MacLean via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK.  Dropped the top bows off to be soda blasted this morning. When I
>>> get them back going to spray paint one color. A spray can of Rustoleum
>>> Smoke Grey is less than 5 bucks on Amazon.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 11:04 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree, plus I just checked my original and it is completely gray in
>>> color.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:57 PM Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I understand the question, the header rail is part of the structure
>>> of the top frame and is painted the same color as the rest of it.  I've
>>> seen several originals and they were all painted that way.
>>> -Roland
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:46 PM Curtis Arndt via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that I know of, but I'm not certain.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:13 PM Michael MacLean <
>>> springer.mike51@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Curt,
>>>      I just got finished drilling out 6 countersunk screws that retain
>>> the wood on the header rail. No way in H*ll they were going to come out
>>> with a screwdriver.  The wood was rather crispy.  I have a new piece of
>>> wood to replace it with.  I noticed the metal header rail was painted b=
lack
>>> on the opposite side of the wood.  Correct?
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">That man knows of what he speaks =F0=9F=91=8D</div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri., Jan=
. 14, 2022, 3:43 p.m. Perry Small via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey=
s@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Like most phases of restoring a car =
it requires building up the car with the available parts and see how things=
 fit together, sometimes multiple times. Especially true for the cowl, guar=
ds, doors, side curtains and windshield. Then the finishing of those parts =
can be done. This applies to new parts obtained from the best suppliers. Th=
ey rarely fit properly to all the old bits you are trying to reuse.<div>Per=
ry<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 13, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Michael MacLean via H=
ealeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote><=
/div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">=
I fully expect this job to be quite an exercise.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike M</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:01 PM Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey=
s@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><div>Figure that you will be using an array of shims to fit =
the chrome uprights to the windshield frame and several trial fits -- unles=
s the gods are really smiling at you. The shims go between the body and the=
 uprights (which are partly painted). Then there&#39;s the angle of the win=
dshield that can be varied a bit. Remember perseverance furthers.=C2=A0<br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed=
, Jan 12, 2022, 10:31 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.m=
ike@att.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mik=
e@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"=
><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Well, it opens and closes easy enough.=C2=A0 It lo=
oks straight, but like every other part used on this car, it&#39;s not orig=
inal to the car.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think it is going to be a big problem.=
=C2=A0 Now the windscreen assembly with ALL unrelated parts may be another =
matter.=C2=A0 The distance between the windscreen and chrome uprights was s=
et during the body work, but that is no guarantee there will be no problem =
fitting it.=C2=A0 Couple that with the fact this will be the first time I p=
ut a windscreen together for a big Healey.=C2=A0 When the time comes, there=
 will be questions.=C2=A0 Heck, I have not found a part yet that did not ne=
ed considerable work to make it fit.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean=
<br></div><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"m_2038971738126637486m_3133084611822918137m_472973=
01930272737yahoo_quoted_2463973152">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:05:32 PM PST, Roland=
 Wilhelmy via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"=
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net<=
/a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"m_2038971738126637486m_3133084611822918137m=
_47297301930272737yiv3952908524"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">good choice, I think=
.=C2=A0 Have you test installed the frame in your car yet?=C2=A0 Most frame=
s I have come in contact with are bent in ways that don&#39;t cooperate wit=
h folding and unfolding or with alignment with the windshield posts.=C2=A0 =
They require a bit of &#39;reasoning&#39;.=C2=A0 Sometimes a hammer and anv=
il, sometimes some homemade tools that look like crescent wrenches=C2=A0 wi=
th jaws wrapped in tape.=C2=A0 May you be luckier.<div>-Roland</div></div><=
div id=3D"m_2038971738126637486m_3133084611822918137m_47297301930272737yiv3=
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18137m_47297301930272737yiv3952908524yqt40806"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan=
 12, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div>OK.=
=C2=A0 Dropped the top bows off to be soda blasted this morning. When I get=
 them back going to spray paint one color. A spray can of Rustoleum Smoke G=
rey is less than 5 bucks on Amazon.<div>Mike MacLean</div><div><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 12, =
2022, 11:04 AM Curtis Arndt &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@g=
mail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree, plus I just checked my o=
riginal and it is completely gray in color.</div><br clear=3D"none"><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:57 PM Roland Wilhelmy &lt;<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">If I understand the question, the header rail is part of the struc=
ture of the top frame and is painted the same color as the rest of it.=C2=
=A0 I&#39;ve seen several originals and they were all painted that way.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0<div>-Roland</div></div><div id=3D"m_2038971738126637486m_31330846=
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lto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I =
know of, but I&#39;m not certain.<br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:13 PM Michael MacLean &lt=
;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:springer.mike51@gmail.com"; rel=3D"norefer=
rer noopener noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">springer.m=
ike51@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Curt,</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I ju=
st got finished drilling out 6 countersunk screws that retain the wood on t=
he header rail. No way in H*ll they were going to come out with a screwdriv=
er.=C2=A0 The wood was rather crispy.=C2=A0 I have a new piece of wood to r=
eplace it with.=C2=A0 I noticed the metal header rail was painted black on =
the opposite side of the wood.=C2=A0 Correct?</div><div>Mike MacLean<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div></div>
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