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Re: [Healeys] Top Bows

from [Perry Small via Healeys] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Top Bows
From: Perry Small via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 15:43:06 -0500
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Like most phases of restoring a car it requires building up the car with the=
 available parts and see how things fit together, sometimes multiple times. E=
specially true for the cowl, guards, doors, side curtains and windshield. Th=
en the finishing of those parts can be done. This applies to new parts obtai=
ned from the best suppliers. They rarely fit properly to all the old bits yo=
u are trying to reuse.
Perry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I fully expect this job to be quite an exercise.
> Mike M
>=20
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:01 PM Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys <healeys@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>> Figure that you will be using an array of shims to fit the chrome upright=
s to the windshield frame and several trial fits -- unless the gods are real=
ly smiling at you. The shims go between the body and the uprights (which are=
 partly painted). Then there's the angle of the windshield that can be varie=
d a bit. Remember perseverance furthers.=20
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 10:31 PM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>=
 wrote:
>>> Well, it opens and closes easy enough.  It looks straight, but like ever=
y other part used on this car, it's not original to the car.  I don't think i=
t is going to be a big problem.  Now the windscreen assembly with ALL unrela=
ted parts may be another matter.  The distance between the windscreen and ch=
rome uprights was set during the body work, but that is no guarantee there w=
ill be no problem fitting it.  Couple that with the fact this will be the fi=
rst time I put a windscreen together for a big Healey.  When the time comes,=
 there will be questions.  Heck, I have not found a part yet that did not ne=
ed considerable work to make it fit.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:05:32 PM PST, Roland Wilhelmy via Hea=
leys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> good choice, I think.  Have you test installed the frame in your car yet=
?  Most frames I have come in contact with are bent in ways that don't coope=
rate with folding and unfolding or with alignment with the windshield posts.=
  They require a bit of 'reasoning'.  Sometimes a hammer and anvil, sometime=
s some homemade tools that look like crescent wrenches  with jaws wrapped in=
 tape.  May you be luckier.
>>> -Roland
>>>=20
>>>     Virus-free. www.avast.com
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>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>>> OK.  Dropped the top bows off to be soda blasted this morning. When I ge=
t them back going to spray paint one color. A spray can of Rustoleum Smoke G=
rey is less than 5 bucks on Amazon.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 11:04 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, plus I just checked my original and it is completely gray in co=
lor.
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:57 PM Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>> If I understand the question, the header rail is part of the structure o=
f the top frame and is painted the same color as the rest of it.  I've seen s=
everal originals and they were all painted that way. =20
>>> -Roland
>>>=20
>>>     Virus-free. www.avast.com
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:46 PM Curtis Arndt via Healeys <healeys@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>>> Not that I know of, but I'm not certain.
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:13 PM Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.c=
om> wrote:
>>> Curt,
>>>      I just got finished drilling out 6 countersunk screws that retain t=
he wood on the header rail. No way in H*ll they were going to come out with a=
 screwdriver.  The wood was rather crispy.  I have a new piece of wood to re=
place it with.  I noticed the metal header rail was painted black on the opp=
osite side of the wood.  Correct?
>>> Mike MacLean
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Like most phases of restoring a car it requ=
ires building up the car with the available parts and see how things fit tog=
ether, sometimes multiple times. Especially true for the cowl, guards, doors=
, side curtains and windshield. Then the finishing of those parts can be don=
e. This applies to new parts obtained from the best suppliers. They rarely f=
it properly to all the old bits you are trying to reuse.<div>Perry<br><br><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite">On Jan 13, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;hea=
leys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">I fully expect this job t=
o be quite an exercise.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike M</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:=
01 PM Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Figure that you will be using an array of shims t=
o fit the chrome uprights to the windshield frame and several trial fits -- u=
nless the gods are really smiling at you. The shims go between the body and t=
he uprights (which are partly painted). Then there's the angle of the windsh=
ield that can be varied a bit. Remember perseverance furthers.&nbsp;<br><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan=
 12, 2022, 10:31 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@at=
t.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:=
times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Well, it opens and closes easy enough.&nbsp; It loo=
ks straight, but like every other part used on this car, it's not original t=
o the car.&nbsp; I don't think it is going to be a big problem.&nbsp; Now th=
e windscreen assembly with ALL unrelated parts may be another matter.&nbsp; T=
he distance between the windscreen and chrome uprights was set during the bo=
dy work, but that is no guarantee there will be no problem fitting it.&nbsp;=
 Couple that with the fact this will be the first time I put a windscreen to=
gether for a big Healey.&nbsp; When the time comes, there will be questions.=
&nbsp; Heck, I have not found a part yet that did not need considerable work=
 to make it fit.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br></div><div><br></=
div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"m_3133084611822918137m_47297301930272737yahoo_quote=
d_2463973152">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
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                <div>
                    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:05:32 PM PST, Roland W=
ilhelmy via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"m_3133084611822918137m_47297301930272737yiv3=
952908524"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">good choice, I think.&nbsp; Have you test i=
nstalled the frame in your car yet?&nbsp; Most frames I have come in contact=
 with are bent in ways that don't cooperate with folding and unfolding or wi=
th alignment with the windshield posts.&nbsp; They require a bit of 'reasoni=
ng'.&nbsp; Sometimes a hammer and anvil, sometimes some homemade tools that l=
ook like crescent wrenches&nbsp; with jaws wrapped in tape.&nbsp; May you be=
 luckier.<div>-Roland</div></div><div id=3D"m_3133084611822918137m_472973019=
30272737yiv3952908524DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br clear=3D"none=
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leys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><=
div></div>OK.&nbsp; Dropped the top bows off to be soda blasted this morning=
. When I get them back going to spray paint one color. A spray can of Rustol=
eum Smoke Grey is less than 5 bucks on Amazon.<div>Mike MacLean</div><div><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed,=
 Jan 12, 2022, 11:04 AM Curtis Arndt &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:cn=
aarndt@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree, plus I just checked my original a=
nd it is completely gray in color.</div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:57 PM Roland Wilhelmy &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" h=
ref=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D=
"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">If I understand the=
 question, the header rail is part of the structure of the top frame and is p=
ainted the same color as the rest of it.&nbsp; I've seen several originals a=
nd they were all painted that way.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div>-Roland</div></div><div i=
d=3D"m_3133084611822918137m_47297301930272737yiv3952908524gmail-m_-219975318=
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 Arndt via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I know of, but I'm not certain.<br clear=3D=
"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 a=
t 2:13 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:springer.mike=
51@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">springer.mike51@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><bloc=
kquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Curt,</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; I just got finished drilling out 6 countersunk screws that retain t=
he wood on the header rail. No way in H*ll they were going to come out with a=
 screwdriver.&nbsp; The wood was rather crispy.&nbsp; I have a new piece of w=
ood to replace it with.&nbsp; I noticed the metal header rail was painted bl=
ack on the opposite side of the wood.&nbsp; Correct?</div><div>Mike MacLean<=
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