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To add to Steve=E2=80=99s comments . . . I have a spare engine to back =
up my BJ8 engine.
It is from a Wolseley 6/110 Mk II and the block is exactly the same, =
also with part number 12B 766, and the stylised =E2=80=98M=E2=80=99 in =
the diamond directly below the engine number. =20
Right or wrong, I have always understood that logo to represent the =
engine manufacturer =E2=80=93 Morris.
=20
Cheers
Mark
=20
Ardmore
NZ
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com>=20
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2021 8:36 AM
To: pdzwig@summaventures.com
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery casting number on Austin 6 cylinder =
engine - AGAIN
=20
Peter, since you referred Mr. Mayor to my comment of 16 March 2014 at =
BCF, I need to follow up. I still believe 12B 766 is a part number. =
Exactly which part, I don't know. It isn't specifically identified as a =
serviceable part in the parts manual, which to me means that it wasn't a =
part that could be ordered from a dealer, so I interpreted it as a =
casting number. My BJ8 engine has the same number in the same place.=20
The BMC Mechanical Service Parts List for BJ7/BJ8 (Publication number =
AKD 3523) identifies several other detail parts of the engine that have =
similar part numbers, e.g.
Piston Assembly 12B 1159
Camshaft 12B 594
Crankshaft pulley with damper 12B 1274
Washer, nut (crankshaft dog nut) 12B 681
=20
Other engine parts have similar, but different initial numbers Flywheel =
22B 136 Cylinder side cover (center) 2A 770
=20
I'm sure the 12 or 12B and similar codes meant something to BMC but to =
know exactly what we would need more BMC design documentation than what =
appears to be available now. 12 or 12B means some part of an engine =
assembly, I would guess.
=20
Someone some time ago was trying to document engine casting codes in an =
effort to figure out what they meant (date of the casting, etc.) but I =
forget now who that was. I never paid much attention to those markings =
because I didn't think they were helpful in identification of a car, but =
since that post to the list I did try to identify those markings on my =
BJ8 engine and document as many others as possible. Some of them are =
very difficult to access with the engine and other stuff installed. The =
few I did record as reported by owners are these:
=20
24A40 (or 24A49, last digit partially illegible) - engine 29K/RU/H977 =
7M4C - 29K/RU/H1670 D4C - 29K/RU/H1753 24A4C - 29K/RU/H1477 3H4D - =
29K/RU/H3186 27H4C - 29K/RU/H5843
C23F5 - 29K/RU/H6295
C21F5 - 29K/RU/H11327 (my engine. Has 1 63 on the driver's side, both =
were cast with the block.
=20
The apparent casting number of the unknown engine at BCF was L3C.
=20
I do not know what the "M" in a diamond-shape logo means, but my engine =
has it also.
=20
For what it's worth.....
=20
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC USA
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig via =
Healeys
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 11:55 AM
To: richard mayor; healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery casting number on Austin 6 cylinder =
engine - AGAIN
=20
Try again!
=20
As far as I can see from the manuals and sites I have looked at, the =
form "AEC xyz" is the standard BMC parts format for pretty much =
anything), e.g. AEC 607 is a C series liner.
=20
Now, see this page (no, really!)
=20
< =
<https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/help-me-identify-the-e=
ngine.95536/> =
https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/help-me-identify-the-en=
gine.95536/>
=20
look at the second photo which shows the number and some sort of logo =
beneath it. Now follow the contributions by "BJ8 Healey".
=20
My guess - and it is only that - is that 12B refers to a block cast by =
whoever's logo that is and 266 is the sequence number in the run *not* a =
part number.
=20
Regards,
=20
Peter
=20
On 05/12/2021 12:01, Peter Dzwig via Healeys wrote:
> Richard,
>=20
> see here:
>=20
> <https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-100-six-forum.5/100-6-cylinder-weslak
> e-head-numbers.183672/>
>=20
> It doesn't address your *specific* number but I guess that the answer=20
> is in line with what it says there namely that it's a Westlake head.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Peter
>=20
> On 05/12/2021 01:26, richard mayor via Healeys wrote:
>> What I thought was an Austin Healey 3000 engine has a casting number =
on
>> the side of the block 12B266. It has the early style Austin block
>> with the tachometer drive housing. The boss for the engine tag is in =
>> the same place as the 3000 engines.
>>=20
>> I looked at a couple of early 3000 engines and the casting numbers on =
>> them are AEC881.
>>=20
>> Does anyone know what engine this is?
>>=20
>> Richard
>>=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>To add to Steve=E2=80=99s comments=C2=A0 . . =
.=C2=A0 I have a spare engine to back up my BJ8 =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>It is from a <b>Wolseley 6/110 Mk II</b> and the =
block is exactly the same, also with part number 12B 766, and the =
stylised =E2=80=98M=E2=80=99 in the diamond directly below the engine =
number.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Right or wrong, I have always understood that =
logo to represent the engine manufacturer =E2=80=93 =
<b>Morris</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Ardmore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>NZ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-NZ'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> <br>Sent: =
Monday, 6 December 2021 8:36 AM<br>To: pdzwig@summaventures.com<br>Cc: =
healeys@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery casting number =
on Austin 6 cylinder engine - AGAIN</span><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Peter, since you =
referred Mr. Mayor to my comment of 16 March 2014 at BCF, I need to =
follow up.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I still believe 12B 766 is a part number.=C2=A0 =
Exactly which part, I don't know.=C2=A0 It isn't specifically identified =
as a serviceable part in the parts manual, which to me means that it =
wasn't a part that could be ordered from a dealer, so I interpreted it =
as a casting number.=C2=A0 My BJ8 engine has the same number in the same =
place. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>The BMC Mechanical Service Parts List for =
BJ7/BJ8 (Publication number AKD 3523) identifies several other detail =
parts of the engine that have similar part numbers, =
e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Piston Assembly 12B =
1159<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Camshaft=C2=A0 12B =
594<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Crankshaft pulley with damper=C2=A0 12B =
1274<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Washer, nut (crankshaft dog nut) 12B =
681<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Other engine parts =
have similar, but different initial numbers Flywheel=C2=A0 22B 136 =
Cylinder side cover (center) 2A 770<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>I'm sure the 12 or =
12B and similar codes meant something to BMC but to know exactly what we =
would need more BMC design documentation than what appears to be =
available now.=C2=A0 12 or 12B means some part of an engine assembly, I =
would guess.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Someone some time =
ago was trying to document engine casting codes in an effort to figure =
out what they meant (date of the casting, etc.) but I forget now who =
that was.=C2=A0 I never paid much attention to those markings because I =
didn't think they were helpful in identification of a car, but since =
that post to the list I did try to identify those markings on my BJ8 =
engine and document as many others as possible.=C2=A0 Some of them are =
very difficult to access with the engine and other stuff =
installed.=C2=A0 The few I did record as reported by owners are =
these:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>24A40 (or 24A49, =
last digit partially illegible) - engine 29K/RU/H977 7M4C - 29K/RU/H1670 =
D4C - 29K/RU/H1753 24A4C - 29K/RU/H1477 3H4D - 29K/RU/H3186 27H4C - =
29K/RU/H5843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>C23F5 - 29K/RU/H6295<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>C21F5 - =
29K/RU/H11327 (my engine. Has 1 63 on the driver's side, both were cast =
with the block.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>The apparent =
casting number of the unknown engine at BCF was =
L3C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>I do not know what =
the "M" in a diamond-shape logo means, but my engine has it =
also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>For what it's =
worth.....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Steve =
Byers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>BJ8 =
Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>AHCA Delegate at =
Large<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Havelock, NC=C2=A0 =
USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>-----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>From: Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig via =
Healeys<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 11:55 =
AM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>To: richard mayor; =
healeys<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery casting number =
on Austin 6 cylinder engine - AGAIN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Try =
again!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>As far as I can =
see from the manuals and sites I have looked at, the form "AEC =
xyz" is the standard BMC parts format for pretty much anything), =
e.g. AEC 607 is a C series liner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Now, see this page =
(no, really!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><<a =
href=3D"https://www.britishcarforum.com/community/threads/help-me-identif=
y-the-engine.95536/"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://www.britishcarfor=
um.com/community/threads/help-me-identify-the-engine.95536/</span></a>>=
;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>look at the second =
photo which shows the number and some sort of logo beneath it. Now =
follow the contributions by "BJ8 =
Healey".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>My guess - and it =
is only that - is that 12B refers to a block cast by whoever's logo that =
is and 266 is the sequence number in the run *not* a part =
number.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>On 05/12/2021 =
12:01, Peter Dzwig via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> see =
here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
<https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-100-six-forum.5/100-6-cylinder-weslak=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
e-head-numbers.183672/><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> It doesn't address your *specific* =
number but I guess that the answer <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> is in line =
with what it says there namely that it's a Westlake =
head.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> =
Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>> On 05/12/2021 =
01:26, richard mayor via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> What I =
thought was an Austin Healey 3000 engine has a casting number =
on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> the side of the block =
12B266.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It has the early style Austin =
block<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> with the tachometer drive =
housing.=C2=A0 The boss for the engine tag is in =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> the same place as the 3000 =
engines.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> I looked =
at a couple of early 3000 engines and the casting numbers on =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> them are =
AEC881.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> Does =
anyone know what engine this is?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> =
Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> =
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> Support =
Team.Net <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.team.net/donat=
e.html</span></a> Suggested annual <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> =
donation=C2=A0 $12.75<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> Archive: =
<a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.team.net/piper=
mail/healeys</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://autox.team.net/arc=
hive</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> <a =
href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Healeys@autox.team.net</s=
pan></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys";><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://autox.team.net/mai=
lman/listinfo/healeys</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/pdzwig@summaventure=
s.co"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://autox.team.net/mai=
lman/options/healeys/pdzwig@summaventures.co</span></a><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>>> =
m<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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