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ch, if true, addresses your concerns:=0APrev Product=0A=0APERMATEX=C2=AE=
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ada Part Number: 58985=0A=0APERMATEX=C2=AE COPPER SPRAY-A-GASKET=C2=AE H=
I-TEMP SEALANT=0A=0A=09Category: Gasket Sealants [1]=0A=0A=09Fast-drying=
, metallic copper sealant helps dissipate heat, prevents=0Agasket burnou=
t and improves heat transfer. Fills minor surface=0Airregularities. Seal=
s instantly. Fills hot spots and surface=0Aimperfections. Temperature ra=
nge -50=C2=B0F to 500=C2=B0F (-45=C2=B0C to 260=C2=B0C);=0Aresists all t=
ypes of automotive fluids, especially gasoline. Level 3=0A=0A=09 Buy Onl=
ine [2]=0A=0A=09I did have to remove a head for another reason, which ha=
d this=0Acoating, and it was not a problem. I guess time and mileage wil=
l tell=0Ahow effective this product is. So far, I have been pleased to n=
ot have=0Aany issues with installed heads. Can't stress more strongly ho=
w=0Aoverheating is the death knell for these engines. Hank=0A=0A=09-----=
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-----------------------------------=0A=0A=09From: "Alan Seigrist"-------=
---To: gradea1@charter.net=0ACc: "Bob Spidell", "Healey list"=0ASent: Tu=
esday February 2 2021 7:54:17PM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] A90 Head Update=
=0A=0A Hank - =0A Is the spray on sealant silicone, or is it a non harde=
ning kind like=0Ahylomar? I'm a little concerned to use this as it may m=
ake disassembly=0Adifficult later if I have to strip the engine down aga=
in. What is your=0Aexperience? =0A Thanks, =0A Alan =0A On Wed, Feb 3,=
2021 at 10:46 AM wrote:=0A Alan-two questions: do you know if the car=
overheated at any time=0Aafter the replacement of the head? =0A Secondl=
y, do you have any idea what torque they used to tighten the=0Ahead, eve=
n if they did not go in order? =0A A couple of us, who have been doing t=
his for awhile, decided on about=0A80 FT LBS. as max torque. There is no=
book spec. That is a spec for=0Athat size stud and nut. The tightening=
order in the workshop manual is=0Astrictly adhered to, and the torque i=
s brought up in 1/3 increments. =0A Again, I sprayed both sides of my co=
pper gasket with a light coating=0Aof Permatex copper seal. I used a Pay=
en gasket which was marked=0Atop/front. Yea, the good old days...Hank=0A=
=0A=09----------------------------------------- From: "Alan Seigrist"=0A=
To: "Bob Spidell"=0A Cc: "Healey list"=0A Sent: Tuesday February 2 2021=
6:07:37PM=0A Subject: Re: [Healeys] A90 Head Update=0A=0A Hi Bob - =0A=
This gasket was put on the car only about 5K miles ago if you can=0Abel=
ieve it, but the car sat for about 10 years afterwards... I've=0Achecked=
both the head and deck with a rectifier (see pic), both are=0Avery nice=
ly flat and do not need to go to the machinist. Both are flat=0Ato withi=
n 1/1000 on the surface... which is less than the error on the=0Arectifi=
er! =0A I have the previously removed very old copper gasket which I sav=
ed=0Aand it has no signs of gas leaking between cylinders compared to th=
is=0Anewer gasket that I just removed. I discovered a few things: =0A=
=0A=09* The old gasket is made with better quality, softer copper, and i=
s=0Athicker than the newer gasket that was put on. The old gasket that=
=0Ashowed no problems is 1.8mm thick after being installed, the new=0Aga=
sket that failed is 1.5mm thick after being installed. The old=0Agasket=
is very nicely marked as to orientation, directions, copper=0Acompressi=
on rings are thicker, etc., etc., Clearly the older gasket=0Awas made to=
work in circumstances where the mating surfaces weren't=0Aalways perfec=
tly flat.=0A =09* I highly suspect the mechanics that installed the head=
last time=0Adid not torque the head in the proper sequence, quite possi=
bly working=0Afrom the outside in. =0A =09* The head stud mount holes on=
the deck were raised a bit in couple=0Aplaces and may have caused the h=
ead to deflect a little, possibly, but=0Athey don't seem to have been en=
ough to make a difference... I have=0Aalready filed those holes down. Mi=
cheal Salter has told me to run a=0Acountersink to debur the hole.=0A=0A=
It's a weird one, I think possibly a combination of all three issues=0Aa=
bove. Let's see how she goes after I finish the job. Ultimately one=0Ath=
ing I learned is I cannot anymore rely on mechanics that I do not=0Aknow=
well to do work on my car... I end up having to redo everything. =0A Be=
st, =0A Alan On 2/1/2021 11:23 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:=0A > All -=
=0A >=0A > Got the head off. Sure enough the gasket blew between 3&4 . s=
ome=0A > evidence of gas flow between 1&2 as well. Last pic is of me=0As=
tanding=0A > in the engine compartment lifting the head off, just to mak=
e all of=0A > you jealous ... :D=0A >=0A > Cheers,=0A >=0A > Alan=0A >=
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---------</p><p>From: "Alan Seigrist"----------</p><healey.nut@gmail.com=
>To: gradea1@charter.net<br>Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Healey list"<br>Sent: Tu=
esday February 2 2021 7:54:17PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] A90 Head Updat=
e<br><br>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Hank -=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Is the spra=
y on sealant silicone, or is it a non hardening=0Akind like hylomar?&nbs=
p; I'm a little concerned to use this as it=0Amay make disassembly diffi=
cult later if I have to strip the engine=0Adown again. What is you=
r experience?</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Thanks,</div>=0A<div><br></=
div>=0A<div>Alan</div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:46 AM=0A<=
<a>gradea1@charter.net</a>>=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb=
(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div>Alan-two questions: do you know=
if the car overheated at any=0Atime after the replacement of the head?=
=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Secondly, do you have any idea what torque the=
y used to=0Atighten the head, even if they did not go in order?</div>=0A=
<div><br></div>=0A<div>A couple of us, who have been doing this for awhi=
le, decided=0Aon about 80 FT LBS. as max torque. There is no book spec.=
That is a=0Aspec for that size stud and nut. The tightening order in th=
e=0Aworkshop manual is strictly adhered to, and the torque is brought=0A=
up in 1/3 increments.</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Again, I sprayed&nb=
sp; both sides of my copper gasket with a=0Alight coating of Permatex co=
pper seal.</div>=0A<div>I used a Payen gasket which was marked top/front=
. Yea, the=0Agood old days...Hank<br><br><p>----------------------------=
-------------</p>=0AFrom: "Alan Seigrist"<br>=0ATo: "Bob Spidell"<br>=0A=
Cc: "Healey list"<br>=0ASent: Tuesday February 2 2021 6:07:37PM<br>=0ASu=
bject: Re: [Healeys] A90 Head Update<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div dir=
=3D"ltr">Hi Bob -=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>This gasket was put on the ca=
r only about 5K miles ago if you=0Acan believe it, but the car sat for a=
bout 10 years=0Aafterwards... I've checked both the head and deck=
with a=0Arectifier (see pic), both are very nicely flat and do not need=
to=0Ago to the machinist. Both are flat to within 1/1000 on the=
=0Asurface... which is less than the error on the rectifier!</div>=0A<di=
v><br></div>=0A<div>I have the previously removed very old copper gasket=
which I=0Asaved and it has no signs of gas leaking between cylinders co=
mpared=0Ato this newer gasket that I just removed. I=0Ad=
iscovered a few things:</div>=0A<div>=0A<ol><li>The old gasket is made w=
ith better quality, softer copper, and=0Ais thicker than the newer gaske=
t that was put on. The old=0Agasket that showed no problems is 1.8=
mm thick after being=0Ainstalled, the new gasket that failed is 1.5mm th=
ick after being=0Ainstalled. The old gasket is very nicely ma=
rked as to=0Aorientation, directions, copper compression rings are thick=
er,=0Aetc., etc., Clearly the older gasket was made to work in=0Ac=
ircumstances where the mating surfaces weren't always perfectly=0Aflat.<=
/li>=0A<li>I highly suspect the mechanics that installed the head last=
=0Atime did not torque the head in the proper sequence, quite possibly=
=0Aworking from the outside in. </li>=0A<li>The head stud mou=
nt holes on the deck were raised a bit in=0Acouple places and may have c=
aused the head to deflect a little,=0Apossibly, but they don't seem to h=
ave been enough to make a=0Adifference... I have already filed those hol=
es down. Micheal=0ASalter has told me to run a countersink to debu=
r the hole.</li>=0A</ol><div>It's a weird one, I think possibly a combin=
ation of all three=0Aissues above. Let's see how she goes after I=
finish the=0Ajob. Ultimately one thing I learned is I cannot anym=
ore rely=0Aon mechanics that I do not know well to do work on my car...=
I end=0Aup having to redo everything.</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Be=
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ex;">=0AOn 2/1/2021 11:23 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<br>=0A> All -<br>=
=0A><br>=0A> Got the head off. Sure enough the gasket blew b=
etween=0A3&4 . some<br>=0A> evidence of gas flow between 1&=
amp;2 as well. Last pic is of=0Ame standing<br>=0A> in the engine com=
partment lifting the head off, just to make=0Aall of<br>=0A> you jeal=
ous ... :D<br>=0A><br>=0A> Cheers,<br>=0A><br>=0A> Alan<br>=
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