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Many thanks to everyone who responded to my enquiry about the 2 odd shaped
washers.
It seems most likely that the concept of "alternate supplier" is the most
likely explanation and the fact that I've encountered this on another
engine is just coincidence.
Happy New Year everyone.
M
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:23 AM Peter Dzwig <pdzwig@summaventures.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> it may be that these aren't "wrong" in the usual sense.
>
> Shortages were very much part of the time and if they were short of
> washers they would have used what they had to hand, provided of course
> that they fitted! There were lists of acceptable alternatives.
>
> It's interesting that you found this on two early engines. Do you have
> dates for them? While things got considerably better in the early 60s,
> if these engines were manufactured in say '59 or 60 my guess would be
> that they couldn't get the washers originally specified and used what
> they did have. Knowing that they were in the same batch of engines might
> confirm that.
>
> We often tend to forget what a bad place the UK was in at that time,
> shortages were rife everywhere in industry and there was no concept of
> JIT :-) .
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> On 03/01/2021 20:39, Michael Salter wrote:
> > As above ... there are only 7 @ 5/16" on the engine all the others are
> > 1/4"
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org
> >
> > Also are 7 bolts to go with the 7 washers, and 5 bolts to go with
> > the 5 washers, perhaps the 7 go into the front plate and the others
> > go into the block
> >
> > JAV
> >
> > On 1/3/2021 1:08 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> >> I'm working on an early 3000 engine and have encountered these
> >> "special washers" for the 5/16" bolts on the timing chain cover.
> >> image.png
> >> There are 7 (2K5197) called for on the front cover but what is odd
> >> is that there are 2 different shapes.
> >> Normally I would conclude that they were from different suppliers
> >> but this is the 2nd time that I have come across this odd little
> >> detail on very original 6 cylinder engines, 5 of one type and 2 of
> >> the other.
> >> Wondering if anyone else has noticed this and has a plausible
> >> explanation.
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Many thanks to everyone who responded to =
my enquiry about the 2 odd shaped washers. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">It se=
ems most likely that the concept of "alternate supplier" is the m=
ost likely explanation and the fact that I've encountered this on anoth=
er engine is just coincidence.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">Happy New Year everyone.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:23 AM Peter Dzwig <<a href=3D=
"mailto:pdzwig@summaventures.com";>pdzwig@summaventures.com</a>> wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Michael,<br>
<br>
it may be that these aren't "wrong" in the usual sense.<br>
<br>
Shortages were very much part of the time and if they were short of<br>
washers they would have used what they had to hand, provided of course<br>
that they fitted! There were lists of acceptable alternatives.<br>
<br>
It's interesting that you found this on two early engines. Do you have<=
br>
dates for them? While things got considerably better in the early 60s,<br>
if these engines were manufactured in say '59 or 60 my guess would be<b=
r>
that they couldn't get the washers originally specified and used what<b=
r>
they did have. Knowing that they were in the same batch of engines might<br=
>
confirm that.<br>
<br>
We often tend to forget what a bad place the UK was in at that time,<br>
shortages were rife everywhere in industry and there was no concept of<br>
JIT :-) .<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
On 03/01/2021 20:39, Michael Salter wrote:<br>
> As above ... there are only 7 @ 5/16" on the engine=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=
ll the others are<br>
> 1/4"<br>
> <br>
> M<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM John Vrugtman <<a href=3D"mailto:jav=
rugtman@htcnet.org" target=3D"_blank">javrugtman@htcnet.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">=
javrugtman@htcnet.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Also are 7 bolts to go with the 7 washers, and 5 bo=
lts to go with<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the 5 washers,=C2=A0 perhaps the 7 go into the fron=
t plate and the others<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0go into the block<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JAV<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 1/3/2021 1:08 PM, Michael Salter wrote:<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm working on an early 3000 engine and hav=
e encountered these<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"special washers" for the 5/16" =
bolts on the timing chain cover.<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0image.png<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There are 7 (2K5197) called for on the front co=
ver but what is odd<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is that there are 2 different shapes.<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Normally I would conclude that they were from d=
ifferent suppliers<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0but this is the 2nd time that I have come acros=
s this odd little<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0detail on very original 6 cylinder engines, 5 o=
f one type and 2 of<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the other.<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wondering if anyone else has noticed this and h=
as a plausible<br>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0explanation.<br>
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