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Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup
From: Chris Dimmock via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 22:17:39 +1000
Cc: Austin Healey <Healeys@autox.team.net>
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If it stops straight, then I=E2=80=99d be looking at wheel weights.=20
That eliminates stuck pistons, blocked hoses etc.=20
Not wheel balance weights, but the suspension weight of each Wheel.=20
The lightest wheel always locks first.=20
4 wheels. Total car weight isn=E2=80=99t equally carried on each wheel. The l=
ightest locks first=20


> On 6 Aug 2020, at 12:27 pm, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF Flex lines are 'normal' rubber; but fairly new. I checked the ha=
rd line today; no kinks (my memory was playing tricks again).
>=20
> It pulls down straight; looks like replacing the kinked RR hard line might=
 have helped (ya' think, Bob?). I'll pull the wheels and have a look at pads=
 and rotors; might be a while as I'm starting to think about harvest.
>=20
> Bob
>=20
>=20
> On 8/5/2020 5:54 PM, Harold Manifold wrote:
>> You should be able to judge if the callipers are apply even pressure to t=
he disk by the wear pattern on each side of the disk. If the wear is even an=
d the surfaces look very similar likely the pads are not seized. Don't rule o=
ut air in the brake line. Are the flex hoses rubber or stainless steel braid=
? You may have a flex hose that is expanding due to pressure in the brake li=
ne.
>> =20
>> Harold
>>=20
>> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sp=
idell
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:00 AM
>> To: Michael MacLean; Austin Healey
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup
>>=20
>> Your $0.02 is appreciated. Rotors and pads were replaced not too long ago=
, but it's probably been 20 years since I rebuilt the calipers.
>>=20
>> Bob
>>=20
>> On 8/5/2020 9:27 AM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>> Maybe the right caliper was fluid starved for so long that is froze in p=
lace or at least is binding up for that reason.  If all the brake lines are c=
lear, the only thing left is the caliper.  Sounds like time for a rebuild.  J=
ust my two cents.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 10:07:19 PM PDT, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comca=
st.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Flex lines are only a couple years old, and the hard lines are fairly=20=

>>> fresh cupro-nickel. You got me thinking, though, the RF hard line may=20=

>>> have a slight kink (they're both coiled). I'll check it out.
>>>=20
>>> Bob
>>>=20
>>> On 8/4/2020 9:57 PM, sentenac.rw@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Bob, could there still be some debris in the right front brake line
>>> > that keeps the right brake from being as effective as the left?  Or an=

>>> > internally frayed flex line to the right brake?
>>> >
>>> > -Roland
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:50:42 -0700, you wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Thanks, Kees. The car's brakes are stock BJ8; i.e. single circuit. It=

>>> >> pulls down straight, but locks the front left only. I replaced pads a=
nd
>>> >> rotors about 4 years/20K miles ago, and the old gear looked to be pre=
tty
>>> >> evenly worn. The right rear line was the one that was pinched, and I
>>> >> thought for sure that would cure the lock-up; it did pull before I
>>> >> replaced the line, but I don't remember the direction (pull to the ri=
ght
>>> >> would have been expected, I think).
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll take a look at the pads and rotors when I get a chance.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 8/4/2020 9:18 PM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>>> >>> Sounds like one of the calipers is (partly) seized. The car is
>>> >>> probably pulling to one side as well under normal braking. An overha=
ul
>>> >>> of the calipers and new pads would probably sort it. Also check the
>>> >>> discs.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you have a dual brake circuit fitted which is split in circuits
>>> >>> with one front and the opposite rear brake, check the Pressure
>>> >>> Differential Valve or Pressure Differential Warning Actuator (PDWA).=

>>> >>> The plunjer should be central but can get dislodged after leakage or=

>>> >>> bleeding the brakes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But first check the tyre pressures.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Op 5-8-2020 om 05:00 schreef Bob Spidell:
>>> >>>> Listers,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Today I replaced a section of brake line on my BJ8 that I'd squashe=
d
>>> >>>> with a jackstand. The operation was a success, and I got good pedal=

>>> >>>> after bleeding, but when I stomped on the brakes only the front lef=
t
>>> >>>> locked-up. This has been the case as long as I can remember, but as=
 I
>>> >>>> don't usually need to lock them up it hasn't bothered me. But, now
>>> >>>> I'm wondering 'why?' There's no adjustment on disk brakes, obviousl=
y,
>>> >>>> so why would one squeeze harder than the other?
>>> >>>>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">If it stops straight, then=
 I=E2=80=99d be looking at wheel weights.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">That e=
liminates stuck pistons, blocked hoses etc.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Not w=
heel balance weights, but the suspension weight of each Wheel.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">The lightest wheel always locks first.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">4 wheels. Total car weight isn=E2=80=99t equally carried on each wheel=
. The lightest locks first&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 6 Aug 2020, at 12:27 pm, Bob Spidell &=
lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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      charset=3Dwindows-1252">
 =20
 =20
    Flex lines are 'normal' rubber; but fairly new. I checked the hard
    line today; no kinks (my memory was playing tricks again).<br>
    <br>
    It pulls down straight; looks like replacing the kinked RR hard line
    might have helped (ya' think, Bob?). I'll pull the wheels and have a
    look at pads and rotors; might be a while as I'm starting to think
    about harvest.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/5/2020 5:54 PM, Harold Manifold
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:F3A45708EA874054864D391F65BB91F9@A=
llInOne">
      <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" http-equiv=3D"Cont=
ent-Type">
      <meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">
      <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"595484800-06082020"><fo=
nt size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff">You should be able to
            judge if the callipers are apply even pressure to the disk
            by the wear pattern on each side of the disk. If the wear is
            even and the surfaces look very similar likely the pads are
            not seized. Don't rule out air in the brake line. Are the
            flex hoses rubber or stainless steel braid? You may have a
            flex hose that is expanding due to pressure in the brake
            line.</font></span></div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"595484800-06082020"></s=
pan>&nbsp;</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span class=3D"595484800-06082020"><fo=
nt size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff">Harold</font></span></div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D=
"left">
        <hr tabindex=3D"-1">
        <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys
          [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces=
@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of <=
/b>Bob
          Spidell<br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:00 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean; Austin Healey<br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Brake Lockup<br>
        </font><br>
      </div>
      Your $0.02 is appreciated. Rotors and pads were replaced not too
      long ago, but it's probably been 20 years since I rebuilt the
      calipers.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/5/2020 9:27 AM, Michael MacLean
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1619560074.379053.1596644855425@mail.yahoo.com=
" type=3D"cite">
        <div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px;
          FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
          <div>Maybe the right caliper was fluid starved for so long
            that is froze in place or at least is binding up for that
            reason.&nbsp; If all the brake lines are clear, the only thing
            left is the caliper.&nbsp; Sounds like time for a rebuild.&nbsp;=
 Just
            my two cents.</div>
          <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLean<br>
          </div>
          <div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_7488643462" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica Neue',
              Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; COLOR: #26282a">
              <div>On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 10:07:19 PM PDT, Bob
                Spidell <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:bs=
pidell@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a=
>
                wrote: </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div dir=3D"ltr">Flex lines are only a couple years old,
                  and the hard lines are fairly <br clear=3D"none">
                  fresh cupro-nickel. You got me thinking, though, the
                  RF hard line may <br clear=3D"none">
                  have a slight kink (they're both coiled). I'll check
                  it out.<br clear=3D"none">
                  <br clear=3D"none">
                  Bob<br clear=3D"none">
                  <div id=3D"yqtfd45520" class=3D"yqt8894807965"><br clear=3D=
"none">
                    On 8/4/2020 9:57 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail=
.com" shape=3D"rect" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" ymailto=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@=
gmail.com">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>
                    wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt; Bob, could there still be some debris in the
                    right front brake line<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt; that keeps the right brake from being as
                    effective as the left?&nbsp; Or an<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt; internally frayed flex line to the right brake?<br c=
lear=3D"none">
                    &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt; -Roland<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt; On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:50:42 -0700, you wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
                    &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; Thanks, Kees. The car's brakes are stock
                    BJ8; i.e. single circuit. It<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; pulls down straight, but locks the front
                    left only. I replaced pads and<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; rotors about 4 years/20K miles ago, and the
                    old gear looked to be pretty<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; evenly worn. The right rear line was the
                    one that was pinched, and I<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; thought for sure that would cure the
                    lock-up; it did pull before I<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; replaced the line, but I don't remember the
                    direction (pull to the right<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; would have been expected, I think).<br clear=3D=
"none">
                    &gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; I'll take a look at the pads and rotors
                    when I get a chance.<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt; On 8/4/2020 9:18 PM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:<br c=
lear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Sounds like one of the calipers is
                    (partly) seized. The car is<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; probably pulling to one side as well
                    under normal braking. An overhaul<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; of the calipers and new pads would
                    probably sort it. Also check the<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; discs.<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; If you have a dual brake circuit fitted
                    which is split in circuits<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; with one front and the opposite rear
                    brake, check the Pressure<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Differential Valve or Pressure
                    Differential Warning Actuator (PDWA).<br clear=3D"none">=

                    &gt;&gt;&gt; The plunjer should be central but can
                    get dislodged after leakage or<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; bleeding the brakes.<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; But first check the tyre pressures.<br clea=
r=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Kees Oudesluijs<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Op 5-8-2020 om 05:00 schreef Bob
                    Spidell:<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Listers,<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Today I replaced a section of brake
                    line on my BJ8 that I'd squashed<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with a jackstand. The operation was
                    a success, and I got good pedal<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; after bleeding, but when I stomped
                    on the brakes only the front left<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; locked-up. This has been the case
                    as long as I can remember, but as I<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't usually need to lock them up
                    it hasn't bothered me. But, now<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm wondering 'why?' There's no
                    adjustment on disk brakes, obviously,<br clear=3D"none">=

                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so why would one squeeze harder
                    than the other?<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob<br clear=3D"none">
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