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Re: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:06:48 -0700
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I've posted this before, but it seems customary to cover the same topics 
here over and over ;)

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/may-2001/41/r-u-d-g-e-whit-worth-hub



On 5/10/2020 8:59 AM, Perry via Healeys wrote:
>
> Michael et al,
>
> Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wire 
> wheel hub and the knockoff.
>
> The hub extension is bolted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat 
> in the face of the extension. No rotational movement.
>
> The wire wheel is connected to the hub extension via the splines. The 
> tolerances in the splines may allow for some rotational movement but 
> they have to be loose enough to get the wheel off the extension.
>
> What else holds the wheel in placeâ?¦the knockoff. The cone in the knock 
> off forces the wire wheel hub against the hub extension, The contact 
> interface is the tapers on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. 
> You know the little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a 
> smear of grease to stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If the 
> knock off is tight enough there is not movement here either.
>
> So Mike, if you see movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, 
> the knock off is not tight enough.
>
> Suspect that the folks that developed knock offs understood the 
> problem of owners/mechanics not getting them tight enough and used the 
> handed (left and right) threads that self tighten.
>
> Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!
>
> Perry
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM
> *Subject: *[Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III
>
> At my age (approaching this side of 70) I am on lock down at my 
> house.  I even have my groceries delivered.  I will only go out to eat 
> at a drive through with an N95 mask on.  My Boston Terrier that goes 
> with me does not wear one.  He refuses, but he is only three years 
> old.  So, being sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the 
> restoration of my BN2 with a vengeance.  I did not know I knew so many 
> off color phrases.  Everything to be done on this car is difficult due 
> to parts incompatibility, parts fit, parts unavailability or just  my 
> general ignorance and/or incompetence.  This evening I finished 
> mounting the right side front hub with all new parts.  I thought I had 
> done a nice job.  No lateral play in the hub.  Turns easily without 
> binding.  The correct amount of shims after much trial and error.  
> Disc brake conversion was mounted and braided stainless steel flex 
> brake lines hooked up at both ends.  I have yet to run the brake 
> lines.  Maybe next.   This rant is about the brand new Dayton wire 
> wheels.  I mounted the wire wheels which have temporary used tires on 
> them so I can move the car when it is down off the dollies.  After 
> mounting the wheel I gave the two eared knockoff several pretty good 
> whacks.  Now the moment of truth.  I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 
> o'clock position and pulled straight back and forth.  Yay! No play, 
> but when I rocked the wheel it moved slightly.  I thought it was the 
> hub, but looking closely you can see the wire wheel hub rocking back 
> and forth in the knockoff!  What!?!  How hard are you supposed to hit 
> those knockoffs?
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>


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    I've posted this before, but it seems customary to cover the same
    topics here over and over ;)<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/may-2001/41/r-u-d-g-e-whit-worth-hub";>https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/may-2001/41/r-u-d-g-e-whit-worth-hub</a><br>
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    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/10/2020 8:59 AM, Perry via Healeys
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Michael et al,</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Contemplate the mechanical connections
          between the hub extension, wire wheel hub and the knockoff. </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The hub extension is bolted to the axle
          using tapered nuts that seat in the face of the extension. No
          rotational movement.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The wire wheel is connected to the hub
          extension via the splines. The tolerances in the splines may
          allow for some rotational movement but they have to be loose
          enough to get the wheel off the extension. </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">What else holds the wheel in placeâ?¦the
          knockoff. The cone in the knock off forces the wire wheel hub
          against the hub extension, The contact interface is the tapers
          on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. You know the
          little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a smear
          of grease to stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If
          the knock off is tight enough there is not movement here
          either.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">So Mike, if you see movement between the
          knock off and the wire wheel, the knock off is not tight
          enough.  </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Suspect that the folks that developed knock
          offs understood the problem of owners/mechanics not getting
          them tight enough and used the handed (left and right) threads
          that self tighten. </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Perry</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a
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            moz-do-not-send="true">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>
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            </b><a href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">Michael MacLean</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part
            III</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                Roman&quot;,serif">At my age (approaching this side of
                70) I am on lock down at my house.  I even have my
                groceries delivered.  I will only go out to eat at a
                drive through with an N95 mask on.  My Boston Terrier
                that goes with me does not wear one.  He refuses, but he
                is only three years old.  So, being sequestered to my
                domicile I have taken up the restoration of my BN2 with
                a vengeance.  I did not know I knew so many off color
                phrases.  Everything to be done on this car is difficult
                due to parts incompatibility, parts fit, parts
                unavailability or just  my general ignorance and/or
                incompetence.  This evening I finished mounting the
                right side front hub with all new parts.  I thought I
                had done a nice job.  No lateral play in the hub.  Turns
                easily without binding.  The correct amount of shims
                after much trial and error.  Disc brake conversion was
                mounted and braided stainless steel flex brake lines
                hooked up at both ends.  I have yet to run the brake
                lines.  Maybe next.   This rant is about the brand new
                Dayton wire wheels.  I mounted the wire wheels which
                have temporary used tires on them so I can move the car
                when it is down off the dollies.  After mounting the
                wheel I gave the two eared knockoff several pretty good
                whacks.  Now the moment of truth.  I grabbed the wheel
                at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled straight back and
                forth.  Yay! No play, but when I rocked the wheel it
                moved slightly.  I thought it was the hub, but looking
                closely you can see the wire wheel hub rocking back and
                forth in the knockoff!  What!?!  How hard are you
                supposed to hit those knockoffs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            Roman&quot;,serif">Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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