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Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi | Pegasus Aut

To: Max Byers <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi | Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies
From: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:06:42 +0000
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Steve

I also encountered a SU electric pump no working when it became rather hot.
Not only due to its own heat but that coming to it from the exhaust pipe on
a very hot day. I have made a test rig on the same basis as the 'official'
version. I left this pump running at the full flow rate for many hours but
just as I was about to finish the test it stopped. It was quite hot running
at full rate for so long. but when it cooled it ran fine.

Eventually I discovered that when hot the throw over stopped working. This
led to the discovery that the diaphragm was too 'tight'. I then found that
later repair instruction called for more part turns before replacing the
base. In fact two extra clamping holes.

I have to assume that the setting was right on the edge and when the
temperature rose the diaphragm became tighter. Since then the pump has been
refitted to my BN1 and works fine.

Best regards

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 15:31, Max Byers <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello, Healeyphiles!
>
>
>
> As part of the preparation for the cross-country drive to Lake Tahoe for
> Open Roads 2002, I added a generic electric backup fuel pump (P/N E8016S,
> from Autozone) to my BJ8 with a switch under the dash that allows switchi=
ng
> to either pump, or turning both off.  I chose to plumb the backup pump in=
to
> the system in series with the SU because the installation was much simple=
r
> than doing it in parallel.  That arrangement works perfectly well.  Eithe=
r
> pump can pump through the inactive pump.  All that was required was to cu=
t
> the hard fuel line from the SU to the carbs, which I had already done
> anyway to install an in-line fuel filter there under the RH rear seat.  T=
o
> install the backup pump then only required removing the filter, running n=
ew
> rubber fuel hoses to complete the system, and reinstalling the filter.
>  Quick access to the pumps and the filter is done by using chrome screws
> from above into anchor nuts on the seat structure, rather than having to
> remove a wheel to access the seat stud nuts.  I can remove the seat to ha=
ve
> full access to both pumps, the filter, the hoses, and the wiring (it also
> makes checking and topping up the differential oil much easier).  The
> backup pump is attached to the front wall of the boot behind the rear
> axle.  It is quiet with only a slight hum, and I can=E2=80=99t hear it wi=
th the
> engine running.
>
>
>
> My usual practice is to run on the SU on an outbound leg of a trip, then
> switch to the backup for the return.  Three times since doing the
> modification, I have had occasion to switch to the backup when the SU
> stumbled (in the middle of Atlanta traffic) and twice when it failed to
> start the car.  These =E2=80=9Cfailures=E2=80=9D were only temporary beca=
use the SU
> performed just fine when switched back later.  I have since rebuilt the
> SU.  After Conclave in Deadwood, I joined the group touring the northern
> states, and decided to split off from them and make a 160-mile detour alo=
ne
> over into Montana just to check that state off my list.  The weather that
> day was rainy and chilly.  Just as I got into Montana on an isolated
> country road, I felt the car suddenly failing to respond to the
> accelerator.  As soon as I figured out what was happening, I switched to
> the SU and kept motoring.  I was able to find another identical generic
> pump at Autozone in Minot, ND the next morning and had it installed in
> about 15 minutes.  I used it to get back to North Carolina.  Easy peasy=
=E2=80=A6. I
> was so glad not to have to rely on having to install a spare carried in t=
he
> boot, on the side of the road, in the rain or in the dark.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC  USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *wa=
rthodson---
> via Healeys
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:20 AM
> *To:* eyera3000@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi |
> Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies
>
>
>
> Why do so many people replace an original SU pump that has lasted decades
> with an aftermarket pump that requires modifying the fuel lines, adding
> additional fittings, clamps & altering the mounting brackets (all
> additional sources of failures), vibrates continuously, etc, when it woul=
d
> be so much easier & more original to simply replace it with a new highly
> reliable SU fuel pump? If you are concerned about being stranded at the
> side of the road, carry a spare SU or even better install it in parallel =
&
> wire up a selector switch so you can switch between the two pumps.
>
> Gary Hodson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: I Erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
> To: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2020 1:35 am
> Subject: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi | Pegasus
> Auto Racing Supplies
>
> https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=3D7550
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and errors generated by my phone
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Steve<div><br></div><div>I also encountered a SU electric =
pump no working when it became rather hot. Not only due to its own heat but=
 that coming to it from the exhaust=C2=A0pipe on a very hot day. I have mad=
e a test rig on the same basis as the &#39;official&#39; version. I left th=
is pump running at the full flow rate for many hours but just as I was abou=
t to finish the test it stopped. It was quite hot running at full rate for =
so long. but when it cooled it ran fine.</div><div><br></div><div>Eventuall=
y I discovered that when hot the throw over stopped working. This led to th=
e discovery that the diaphragm=C2=A0was too &#39;tight&#39;. I then found t=
hat later repair instruction called for more part turns before replacing=C2=
=A0the base. In fact two extra clamping holes.</div><div><br></div><div>I h=
ave to assume=C2=A0that the setting was right on the edge and when the temp=
erature rose the diaphragm=C2=A0became tighter. Since then the pump has bee=
n refitted=C2=A0to my BN1 and works fine.</div><div><br></div><div>Best reg=
ards</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 15:31, Max Byers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sby=
ers@ec.rr.com">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">








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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hello, Healeyphiles!<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As part of the preparation for the cross-cou=
ntry drive to Lake
Tahoe for Open Roads 2002, I added a generic electric backup fuel pump (P/N
E8016S, from Autozone) to my BJ8 with a switch under the dash that allows
switching to either pump, or turning both off.=C2=A0 I chose to plumb the b=
ackup
pump into the system in series with the SU because the installation was muc=
h
simpler than doing it in parallel.=C2=A0 That arrangement works perfectly w=
ell.=C2=A0 Either
pump can pump through the inactive pump.=C2=A0 All that was required was to=
 cut the
hard fuel line from the SU to the carbs, which I had already done anyway to
install an in-line fuel filter there under the RH rear seat.=C2=A0 To insta=
ll the
backup pump then only required removing the filter, running new rubber fuel
hoses to complete the system, and reinstalling the filter.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Quic=
k access to
the pumps and the filter is done by using chrome screws from above into anc=
hor
nuts on the seat structure, rather than having to remove a wheel to access =
the
seat stud nuts.=C2=A0 I can remove the seat to have full access to both pum=
ps, the
filter, the hoses, and the wiring (it also makes checking and topping up th=
e
differential oil much easier).=C2=A0 The backup pump is attached to the fro=
nt wall
of the boot behind the rear axle.=C2=A0 It is quiet with only a slight hum,=
 and I
can=E2=80=99t hear it with the engine running.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My usual practice is to run on the SU on an =
outbound leg of a
trip, then switch to the backup for the return.=C2=A0 Three times since doi=
ng the
modification, I have had occasion to switch to the backup when the SU stumb=
led (in
the middle of Atlanta traffic) and twice when it failed to start the car.=
=C2=A0
These =E2=80=9Cfailures=E2=80=9D were only temporary because the SU perform=
ed just fine when
switched back later.=C2=A0 I have since rebuilt the SU.=C2=A0 After Conclav=
e in Deadwood,
I joined the group touring the northern states, and decided to split off fr=
om
them and make a 160-mile detour alone over into Montana just to check that
state off my list.=C2=A0 The weather that day was rainy and chilly.=C2=A0 J=
ust as I got
into Montana on an isolated country road, I felt the car suddenly failing t=
o
respond to the accelerator.=C2=A0 As soon as I figured out what was happeni=
ng, I switched
to the SU and kept motoring.=C2=A0 I was able to find another identical gen=
eric pump
at Autozone in Minot, ND the next morning and had it installed in about 15
minutes.=C2=A0 I used it to get back to North Carolina.=C2=A0 Easy peasy=E2=
=80=A6. I was so glad
not to have to rely on having to install a spare carried in the boot, on th=
e
side of the road, in the rain or in the dark.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Steve Byers<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">HBJ8L/36666<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8 Registry<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">AHCA Delegate at Large<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>

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ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,=
sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahom=
a,sans-serif"> Healeys
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>warthodson--- via
Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">eyera30=
00@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi =
|
Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black">Why do so many people replace an original SU pump that =
has lasted
decades with an aftermarket pump that requires modifying the fuel lines, ad=
ding
additional fittings, clamps &amp; altering the mounting brackets (all
additional sources of failures), vibrates continuously, etc, when it would =
be
so much easier &amp; more original to simply replace it with a new highly
reliable SU fuel pump? If you are concerned about being stranded at the sid=
e of
the road, carry a spare SU or even better install it in parallel &amp; wire=
 up
a selector switch so you can switch between the two pumps.=C2=A0 <u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Gary Hodson=C2=A0<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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e:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----=
<br>
From: I Erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">e=
yera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2020 1:35 am<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Facet Cube 12v Fuel Pump, 1/8 NPT, 2-3.5 psi | Pegasus A=
uto
Racing Supplies<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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/u></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
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