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Chrome plating can cause hydrogen embrittlement, however, it is a known =
issue and heat treatment will reverse it if the metal has not cracked.
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John=20
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From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael Oritt
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:53 PM
To: Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
=20
Mirek--
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In response to your question as to whether anyone has experienced total =
wheel failure, many years ago I had a 1960 BN7 that came with chrome =
wire wheels, and though I don't remember whether the wheels had 48 or 60 =
spokes I do know that on several occasions I experienced broken spokes. =
Things never got to the point of total wheel failure because invariably =
the broken spoke would poke a hole in the inner tube and when I had to =
replace the tube I also replaced the spoke.
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As opposed to today's stainless steel spokes back then I believe that =
chromed wire wheels had plated spokes and the chroming process =
embrittled the spokes, increasing their vulnerability to breaking. FWIW =
I have never broken a spoke on the 20 year old 60 spoke chromed Daytons =
I have had on my present car.
=20
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca =
I have wondered how many people drive with broken spokes and do not even =
realize it. I have only had experience with a few broken spokes, one on =
my Healey and one on my TC (both rear wheels), and both were broken =
right where the spoke enters the hub, and were not easily noticed. One =
really has to use the time-honoured method of tapping the spokes with a =
spanner or screwdriver to listen to the ring, or notice them during a =
tyre change. It is quite possible the many healeys, especially those =
owned/driven by less mechanically-minded souls, are driving around with =
a broken spoke or two. I'm no engineer, but I would not be surprised if =
this has little effect on the overall safety of the wheel for normal =
driving. Does anyone know of a complete wheel failure from normal =
driving? I have seen only one. When still an apprentice, an E-Type was =
towed into the shop and one rear wheel had most of its spokes sheared =
off at the hub (a 72 spoke chrome Dunlop). No idea how it happened. =
Cheers, Mirek
-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: January-04-20 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
"A few broken spokes in 106,000 miles is pretty good, I think. How many =
people besides you and me put that kind of mileage on their Healey now, =
Bob? And some of those broken spokes were in the days before Allen =
Hendrix was truing and balancing my wheels.
-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
Hmmmmm. To me 'a few broken spokes' and 'more than adequate' is a=20
contradiction in terms.
On 1/4/2020 7:54 AM, Max Byers wrote:
> Bruce, here is my input:
>
> I do not know anything about Dunlop/Moss wheels. I bought five =
60-spoke 15x4.5 Dayton chrome wheels with stainless spokes from British =
Wire Wheel in 1991, and they are still on my BJ8 with 106,000 miles on =
them now I've had a few broken spokes over the years, but fortunately I =
am relatively close to Allen Hendrix. He keeps them trued and balanced =
whenever I need replacement spokes or new tires.
> =20
> It is only my personal opinion and preference, but while 72 spoke =
wheels are stronger, they are also have a "busier" appearance. My =
experience with the 60-spokers tells me that they are more than adequate
>
> I have always used 165 x 15 tires, again personal preference. As to =
which brand, I use whichever tire is available to Hendrix Wire Wheel. =
At one point it was Kumhos, and I really liked those tires. They were =
not available at my last tire change, so I currently have Nexens. So =
far, with 5 years and 10,000 miles on them they are also proving to be a =
very good tire.
>
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:26 AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
>
> Hi all,
> I=E2=80=99m getting closer to having to buy wheels and tires for my =
=E2=80=9867 BJ8. When I say closer I mean a year or so but I like to =
plan ahead. My car will not be concours correct or be entered in any car =
judging at shows. It=E2=80=99ll be a driver that won=E2=80=99t see any =
track time of any sort. That being said I=E2=80=99m wondering what =
everyone=E2=80=99s thoughts are on wheels and tires. I plan to put =
chrome wire wheels on. I don=E2=80=99t want Minilite=E2=80=99s. So, here =
are my questions:
>
> 1. Dunlop style(e.g. Moss) versus Dayton(e.g. Hendrix)?
> 2. Wheel size=E2=80=9415x4.5 60 spoke; 15x5 72 spoke; or 15x5.5 72 =
spoke?
> 3. Tire Brand?
> 4. Tire Size?
>
> I=E2=80=99m not a bargain basement shopper so I=E2=80=99m willing to =
pay for the best combinations that make sense. I realize there=E2=80=99s =
a lot of personal preference so I hope I=E2=80=99m not gonna start a war =
with these questions!
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Bruce
>
>
>
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>Chrome plating can cause hydrogen embrittlement, however, it is a known =
issue and heat treatment will reverse it if the metal has not =
cracked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>John <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Michael Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 5, 2020 1:53 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mirek Sharp =
<m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca><br><b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Wheels/Tires<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Mirek--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>In response to your =
question as to whether anyone has experienced total wheel failure, many =
years ago I had a 1960 BN7 that came with chrome wire wheels, and though =
I don't remember whether the wheels had 48 or 60 spokes I do know that =
on several occasions I experienced broken spokes. Things never got =
to the point of total wheel failure because invariably the broken spoke =
would poke a hole in the inner tube and when I had to replace the tube I =
also replaced the spoke.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>As opposed to today's =
stainless steel spokes back then I believe that chromed wire wheels had =
plated spokes and the chroming process embrittled the spokes, increasing =
their vulnerability to breaking. FWIW I have never broken a spoke =
on the 20 year old 60 spoke chromed Daytons I have had on my present =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mirek Sharp <<a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; =
target=3D"_blank">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I have wondered how many people drive =
with broken spokes and do not even realize it. I have only had =
experience with a few broken spokes, one on my Healey and one on my TC =
(both rear wheels), and both were broken right where the spoke enters =
the hub, and were not easily noticed. One really has to use the =
time-honoured method of tapping the spokes with a spanner or screwdriver =
to listen to the ring, or notice them during a tyre change. It is =
quite possible the many healeys, especially those owned/driven by less =
mechanically-minded souls, are driving around with a broken spoke or =
two. I'm no engineer, but I would not be surprised if this has =
little effect on the overall safety of the wheel for normal =
driving. Does anyone know of a complete wheel failure from =
normal driving? I have seen only one. When still an =
apprentice, an E-Type was towed into the shop and one rear wheel had =
most of its spokes sheared off at the hub (a 72 spoke chrome =
Dunlop). No idea how it happened. Cheers, =
Mirek<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Healeys [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Max =
Byers<br>Sent: January-04-20 12:29 PM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Wheels/Tires<br><br>"A few broken spokes in 106,000 miles is pretty =
good, I think. How many people besides you and me put that kind of =
mileage on their Healey now, Bob? And some of those broken spokes =
were in the days before Allen Hendrix was truing and balancing my =
wheels.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Healeys [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bob =
Spidell<br>Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 11:50 AM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Wheels/Tires<br><br>Hmmmmm. To me 'a few broken spokes' and 'more =
than adequate' is a <br>contradiction in terms.<br><br><br>On 1/4/2020 =
7:54 AM, Max Byers wrote:<br>> Bruce, here is my =
input:<br>><br>> I do not know anything about Dunlop/Moss =
wheels. I bought five 60-spoke 15x4.5 Dayton chrome wheels with =
stainless spokes from British Wire Wheel in 1991, and they are still on =
my BJ8 with 106,000 miles on them now I've had a few broken spokes =
over the years, but fortunately I am relatively close to Allen =
Hendrix. He keeps them trued and balanced whenever I need =
replacement spokes or new tires.<br>> <br>> It is only =
my personal opinion and preference, but while 72 spoke wheels are =
stronger, they are also have a "busier" appearance. My =
experience with the 60-spokers tells me that they are more than =
adequate<br>><br>> I have always used 165 x 15 tires, again =
personal preference. As to which brand, I use whichever tire is =
available to Hendrix Wire Wheel. At one point it was Kumhos, and I =
really liked those tires. They were not available at my last tire =
change, so I currently have Nexens. So far, with 5 years and =
10,000 miles on them they are also proving to be a very good =
tire.<br>><br>> Steve Byers<br>> HBJ8L/36666<br>> BJ8 =
Registry<br>> AHCA Delegate at Large<br>> Havelock, NC =
USA<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Healeys =
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bruce =
Peters<br>> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:26 AM<br>> To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> Subject: [Healeys] =
Wheels/Tires<br>><br>> Hi all,<br>> I=E2=80=99m getting closer =
to having to buy wheels and tires for my =E2=80=9867 BJ8. When I say =
closer I mean a year or so but I like to plan ahead. My car will not be =
concours correct or be entered in any car judging at shows. =
It=E2=80=99ll be a driver that won=E2=80=99t see any track time of any =
sort. That being said I=E2=80=99m wondering what everyone=E2=80=99s =
thoughts are on wheels and tires. I plan to put chrome wire wheels on. I =
don=E2=80=99t want Minilite=E2=80=99s. So, here are my =
questions:<br>><br>> 1. Dunlop style(e.g. Moss) versus Dayton(e.g. =
Hendrix)?<br>> 2. Wheel size=E2=80=9415x4.5 60 spoke; 15x5 72 spoke; =
or 15x5.5 72 spoke?<br>> 3. Tire Brand?<br>> 4. Tire =
Size?<br>><br>> I=E2=80=99m not a bargain basement shopper so =
I=E2=80=99m willing to pay for the best combinations that make sense. I =
realize there=E2=80=99s a lot of personal preference so I hope =
I=E2=80=99m not gonna start a war with these questions!<br>><br>> =
Thanks everyone!<br>> =
Bruce<br>><br>><br>><br><br>____________________________________=
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