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Michael--
Thank you for the additional information and I hope this issue did not bear
too heavily upon your thinking during your Christmas celebration.
As I believe I said in my last message the LED bulbs that Moss sent me are
about 5/16" longer than a standard incandescent 1137 unit and while they
may work on later cars that have rounded lenses they will not fit under the
flat tail light lens of a 100.
I may not have been clear in my original posting but a number of years ago
I electrified the reflector pods on the rear deck and, using the conical
plastic lens from later cars, I transferred turn signal function to them.
(I also have a free-standing LED strip wired as a third brake light
discreetly mounted to my hardtop below the rear window which is very bright
and attention-getting).
In any case since the tail light performs only running and brake light
function I only need to find shorter LED bulbs that are compatible with the
stock lens and since there is no flasher function I will not need a
ballast. If and when I find an LED bulb that fits within the reflector pod
I will then deal with the ballast resistor issue. In the meantime I am
sending the LED bulbs and ballasts back to Moss for a refund, and will
suggest that they not sell them to fit 100's without mods to the lenses.
Many thanks to you as well as others who have posted suggestions on the
topic.
Best--Michaer Oritt
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:03 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> After due consideration I've come to realize that there is a problem with
> the planed resistor installation.
> The original Lucas "thermal " type flasher unit is rated at 42 watts.
> The resistors that are shown on the Moss web site are 50 watt.
> If you were to install such a resistor, to simulate the load, on each turn
> signal bulb the load through the flasher unit, when the signals were
> selected, would be 100 watts PLUS whatever the LED lamps drew. This would
> result in 8.3 amps flowing through the flasher unit ... probably enough to
> burn it out!!
> I would think that a far better solution would be to install two 50 watt
> resistors.
> On the turn signal relay (that mysterious metal box mounted on the left
> front inner fender). One 50 watt resistor would be installed between
> terminal 2 and ground and the other between terminal 6 and ground.
> Those original flasher units are becoming VERY hard to find so it would be
> a pity to cook any more of them.
>
> M
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 10:30 AM Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all. What Kees says flies in the face of both Moss's (slightly
>> inarticulate) instructions as well as the consensus of the group.
>> I will install ONE resistor in the flasher lead of each lamp, two--not
>> four--resistors total.
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per the Moss video, you're creating a new ground path to prevent all
>>> lights blinking when you turn on the left or right turn signal. So
>>> connect the ballast resistors to the turn signal circuit.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Bob Haskell
>>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>>>
>>> On 12/24/19 9:22 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
>>> > I purchased two of the Moss 170-941 red LED bulbs to use as
>>> > tail-lights/brake-lights to replace the standard 1157 dual filament
>>> > bulbs on my 100 (I have the reflector pods electrified and wired for
>>> > turn signals). In addition to the bulbs I also purchased, at Moss's
>>> > suggestion, two 170-965 Load Resistors.
>>> >
>>> > The instructions for installation of the resistors simply talk about
>>> the
>>> > resistor's being installed between the power and ground leads to each
>>> > fixture but it does not specify which power lead. My question is: do
>>> I
>>> > connect the ground lead to the tail light power lead or the turn
>>> signal
>>> > power lead or does it matter? I cannot envision connecting it to both
>>> > as that would defeat their separate function.
>>> >
>>> > TIA....Michael Oritt
>>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Micha=
el--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Thank you for the additi=
onal information and I hope this issue did not bear too heavily upon your t=
hinking during your Christmas celebration.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"c=
olor:#3333ff">As I believe I said in my last message the LED bulbs=C2=A0tha=
t=C2=A0Moss sent me are about 5/16" longer than a standard=C2=A0 incan=
descent 1137 unit and=C2=A0while they may work on later cars that have roun=
ded lenses they will not fit under the flat tail light lens of a 100.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I may not have been cl=
ear in my original posting but a number of years ago I electrified the refl=
ector pods on the rear deck and, using the conical plastic lens from later =
cars, I transferred turn signal function to them. (I also have a free-stand=
ing LED strip wired as a third brake light discreetly mounted to my hardtop=
below the rear window which is very bright and attention-getting).=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">In any case since the =
tail light performs only running and brake light function I only need to fi=
nd shorter LED bulbs that are compatible with the stock lens and since ther=
e is no flasher function I will not need a ballast.=C2=A0 If and when I fin=
d an LED bulb that fits within the reflector pod I will then deal with the =
ballast resistor issue.=C2=A0 In the meantime I am sending the LED bulbs an=
d ballasts back to Moss for a refund, and will suggest that they not sell t=
hem to fit 100's without mods to the lenses.</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"color:#3333ff">Many thanks to you as well as others who have posted su=
ggestions on the topic.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best-=
-Michaer Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On T=
hu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:03 AM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsa=
lter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>After due con=
sideration I've come to realize that there is a problem with the planed=
resistor installation.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">The original Lucas "the=
rmal " type flasher unit is rated at 42 watts.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
auto">The resistors that are shown on the Moss web site are 50 watt.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">If you were to install such a resistor, to simulate =
the load, on each turn signal bulb the load through the flasher unit, when =
the signals were selected, would be 100 watts PLUS whatever the LED lamps d=
rew. This would result in 8.3 amps flowing through the flasher unit=C2=A0 .=
.. probably enough to burn it out!!</div><div dir=3D"auto">I would think th=
at a far better solution would be to install two 50 watt resistors.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">On the turn signal relay (that mysterious metal box mounted=
on the left front inner fender). One 50 watt resistor would be installed b=
etween terminal 2 and ground and the other between terminal 6 and ground.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Those original flasher units are becoming VERY hard t=
o find so it would be a pity to cook any more of them.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 10:30 AM Michael =
Oritt, <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Thanks all.=C2=A0 What =
Kees says flies=C2=A0in the face of both Moss's (slightly inarticulate)=
instructions as well=C2=A0as the consensus of the group.=C2=A0 I=C2=A0will=
=C2=A0install ONE resistor in the flasher lead of each lamp, two--not four-=
-resistors total.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,5=
1,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255=
)">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM Bob Haskell =
<<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Per the Moss video, y=
ou're creating a new ground path to prevent all <br>
lights blinking when you turn on the left or right turn signal.=C2=A0 So <b=
r>
connect the ballast resistors to the turn signal circuit.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 12/24/19 9:22 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:<br>
> I purchased two of the Moss 170-941 red LED bulbs to use as <br>
> tail-lights/brake-lights to replace the standard 1157 dual filament <b=
r>
> bulbs on my 100 (I have the reflector pods electrified and wired for <=
br>
> turn signals).=C2=A0 In addition to the bulbs I also purchased, at Mos=
s's <br>
> suggestion, two 170-965 Load Resistors.<br>
> <br>
> The instructions for installation of the resistors simply talk about t=
he <br>
> resistor's being installed between the power and ground leads to e=
ach <br>
> fixture but it does not specify which power lead.=C2=A0 My question is=
: =C2=A0do I <br>
> connect the ground lead to the tail light power lead or the turn signa=
l <br>
> power lead or does it matter?=C2=A0 I cannot envision connecting it to=
both <br>
> as that would defeat their separate function.<br>
> <br>
> TIA....Michael Oritt<br>
> <br>
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