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Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Down pipes

To: Perry <healeyguy@aol.com>, healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Down pipes
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:32:45 +0000
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Thread-topic: [Healeys] Fwd: Down pipes
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The flex sections are necessary because the engine moves on its mounts in r=
elation to the chassis. and that would stress and destroy a solid exhaust c=
onnection. The rubber exhaust hangers don't have enough flex to compensate =
for the movement and would similarly be stressed. If the flex sections were=
 to freeze in place all of the stress caused by the engine rocking and vibr=
ation would be transferred to the exhaust flange joints and/or the rubber m=
ounts.

Most modern cars compensate by allowing some freedom of motion in the exhau=
st hangers, although some still have some form of flexible joint in the sys=
tem.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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From: Perry <healeyguy@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 1:02 PM
To: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Cc: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <YNOTINK@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Fwd: Down pipes


Bill brings up something that I have thought about occasionally over the la=
st 50 years, why is there a section of flex pipe used in the original produ=
ction of Austin Healey=92s?  I mention production because I=92m not sure wh=
at was on the first prototype cars. Todays stainless or mesh type flex pipe=
 does actually move even after the pipe has =93aged=94 a bit. Not so much f=
or the older mild steel versions. Once they take a set (rust) there is not =
much movement, but usually breakage.

My take on the flex pipe on Austin Healey is that it makes it a lot easier =
to fit the pieces together on the car. Exhaust manifold outlet(s) are fixed=
 points. Same with the inlet(s} to the muffler. To get a perfectly parallel=
 set of down pipes outlets into the muffler and still fit the exhaust manif=
old would be hard without the flex pipe sections. Note that the factory wel=
ded the two tail pipes together on the later 100-Six/early 3000.

OK I=92m going back to sleep.  Perhaps I=92ll dream about why the oil drips=
 out of my gearbox/OD even with fresh =93O=94 rings=85.

Perry



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The rubber mounts shouldn't cause a problem, but the flexible sections of t=
he down pipes may have become too stiff to flex, in which case the relative=
 motion of the engine to the chassis may be transmitted to the down pipe fl=
anges.









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The flex sections are necessary because the engine moves on its mounts in r=
elation to the chassis. and that would stress and destroy a solid exhaust c=
onnection. The rubber exhaust hangers don't have enough flex to compensate =
for the movement and would similarly
 be stressed. If the flex sections were to freeze in place all of the stres=
s caused by the engine rocking and vibration would be transferred to the ex=
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Most modern cars compensate by allowing some freedom of motion in the exhau=
st hangers, although some still have some form of flexible joint in the sys=
tem.</div>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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BN1 #554</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Perry &lt;healeyguy@a=
ol.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 18, 2019 1:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;YNOTINK@msn.com&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Bill brings up something that I have thought about=
 occasionally over the last 50 years, why is there a section of flex pipe u=
sed in the original production of Austin Healey=92s?&nbsp; I mention produc=
tion because I=92m not sure what was on the
 first prototype cars. Todays stainless or mesh type flex pipe does actuall=
y move even after the pipe has =93aged=94 a bit. Not so much for the older =
mild steel versions. Once they take a set (rust) there is not much movement=
, but usually breakage.
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">My take on the flex pipe on Austin Healey is that =
it makes it a lot easier to fit the pieces together on the car. Exhaust man=
ifold outlet(s) are fixed points. Same with the inlet(s} to the muffler. To=
 get a perfectly parallel set of down
 pipes outlets into the muffler and still fit the exhaust manifold would be=
 hard without the flex pipe sections. Note that the factory welded the two =
tail pipes together on the later 100-Six/early 3000.
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">OK I=92m going back to sleep.&nbsp; Perhaps I=92ll=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Perry</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 18, 2019 12:50 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";>i erbs</a>; <a href=3D"ma=
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