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To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> NsgS4r9ZdJY+1OAR0sSrFxPsW6HTgAD0SX7VZaKY/B+JPcLRXEOtM0SMm4Fl2LaVEUVHB5wpbLUvFg==
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys
From: Mark Fawcett <m.fawcett@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:57:58 -0700
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Gee, I have both. Guess I'll have to leave the List.
Mar Fawcett
1959 BT7 (or some other random vehicle)

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:29 PM Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:

> Agreed - or 5 spd Toyota transmissions ... !!
> rg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
> Cc: Price Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>, pbrauen@gmail.com, Tom McCay <
> Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys
>
> Real Healeys don't have alternators \uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:45 PM Roger Grace, <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> In any event, unless you are doing significantly more idling than driving
>> this drawdown duning idling is not really significant. This is what the
>> battery is for. If you had an ammeter you would see the amps pick up after
>> idling to bring the batt back up to full volts.
>>
>> Of couse you need a good batt, and alternator.
>>
>> rg
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: R. Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>
>>
>> To: Tom McCay <Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com>
>>
>> Cc: pbrauen@gmail.com, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>
>> Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:59:08 -0600 (MDT)
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Price Lindsay
>>
>>
>> Cell: 630-841-6300
>>
>> Email: 050.rpl@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Tom McCay <Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi Price, alternators do not kick in until they are rotating at about
>> 1200 alternator RPM. The pulley ratio is approximately 3:1 when comparing
>> the bottom crank pulley to the alternator pulley. At idle of 800 RPM the
>> alternator would be rotating at 2400 RPM so you should have a good output
>> at idle. The smaller the alternator pulley the faster it will spin.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Kindest regards
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Tom McCay
>>
>> > Director
>>
>> > www.ccw-tools.com
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>> > Tel: 01522 888178
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>> > ________________________________________
>>
>> > From: Healeys [healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of R. Lindsay
>> [050.rpl@gmail.com]
>>
>> > Sent: 12 August 2019 23:19
>>
>> > To: warthodson@aol.com; pbrauen@gmail.com; Healey List
>>
>> > Subject: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I have installed an alternator in my BJ8 to support ac with mixed
>> success. Since our cars use a v-belt system I had to replace the pulley
>> that came with the alternator(serpentine) with a v-belt pulley.  I have
>> checked the power the alternator and at idle, it is below the amperage
>> needed to run the equipment I have installed.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > When I look at the circumference of the v-belt pulley and the
>> serpentine pulley, the v-belt is definitely smaller. Should I use a v-belt
>> pulley of similar size?  Increasing the circumference of the pulley will
>> make the alternator spin faster and maybe solve my issue of slow engine
>> speed/low amp output, I think.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > If my thinking is correct, how big of a pulley should I use?  I presume
>> that if the pulley is too large, it may make the alternator produce too
>> many amps and damage it.  Should I match the size of the serpentine pulley
>> or buy a pulley based on a calculation?  (FWIW, I have no
>> knowledge/experience to do this).
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The pulleys on the crank and water pump are standard Healey. There is
>> ac installed and the pulley on the compressor is larger than the old
>> generator. I have a two belt system so the alternator is belted to the
>> compressor which if what I said above about larger pulleys spin their
>> equipment faster, how should this be accounted for?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I may be over thinking this but I would like to run the ac at a
>> reasonable idle. Has anyone approached this and came up with a resolution?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Thank you so much for any light that can be shed on this.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Price Lindsay
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Cell: 630-841-6300
>>
>> > Email: 050.rpl@gmail.com
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Gee, I have both. Guess I&#39;ll have to leave the List.<d=
iv>Mar Fawcett</div><div>1959 BT7 (or some other random vehicle)</div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:29 PM Roger Grace &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus=
.net">roggrace@telus.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Agreed - or 5 spd Toyota transmissions ..=
. !!<br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -=
----<br>From: Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Roger Grace &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</=
a>&gt;<br>Cc: Price Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:pbrauen@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">pbrauen@gmail.com</a>, Tom McCay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:T=
om.McCay@ccw-tools.com" target=3D"_blank">Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com</a>&gt;, =
Healey List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:29:01 -0600 (M=
DT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Real Healeys don&#39;t have alternators \uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\=
uDD23\uD83E\uDD23</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:45 PM Roger Grace, &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>In any event, unless you are doing significantly more idling than driving =
this drawdown duning idling is not really significant. This is what the bat=
tery is for. If you had an ammeter you would see the amps pick up after idl=
ing to bring the batt back up to full volts.<br><div><br></div>Of couse you=
 need a good batt, and alternator.<br><div><br></div>rg<br><div><br></div><=
br>----- Original Message -----<br><div><br></div>From: R. Lindsay &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">050.r=
pl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><div><br></div>To: Tom McCay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Tom.McCay@ccw=
-tools.com</a>&gt;<br><div><br></div>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pbrauen@gmail.co=
m" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">pbrauen@gmail.com</a>, Healey List =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><div><br></div>Sent: Mon, 12 Aug =
2019 16:59:08 -0600 (MDT)<br><div><br></div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternat=
or Pulleys<br><div><br></div><br>Thank you!<br><div><br></div><br>Price Lin=
dsay<br><div><br></div><br>Cell: 630-841-6300<br><div><br></div>Email: <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">050.r=
pl@gmail.com</a><br><div><br></div><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><div><br></di=
v><br>&gt; On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Tom McCay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tom=
.McCay@ccw-tools.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Tom.McCay@ccw-to=
ols.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; Hi Pr=
ice, alternators do not kick in until they are rotating at about 1200 alter=
nator RPM. The pulley ratio is approximately 3:1 when comparing the bottom =
crank pulley to the alternator pulley. At idle of 800 RPM the alternator wo=
uld be rotating at 2400 RPM so you should have a good output at idle. The s=
maller the alternator pulley the faster it will spin.<br><div><br></div>&gt=
; <br><div><br></div>&gt; Kindest regards<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><=
br></div>&gt; Tom McCay<br><div><br></div>&gt; Director<br><div><br></div>&=
gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ccw-tools.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">www.ccw-tools.com</a><br><div><br></div>&gt; Tel: 01522 88817=
8<br><div><br></div>&gt; ________________________________________<br><div><=
br></div>&gt; From: Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.n=
et" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
] On Behalf Of R. Lindsay [<a href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>]<br><div><br></div>&gt; Sen=
t: 12 August 2019 23:19<br><div><br></div>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:wartho=
dson@aol.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:pbrauen@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">p=
brauen@gmail.com</a>; Healey List<br><div><br></div>&gt; Subject: [Healeys]=
 Alternator Pulleys<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; I have i=
nstalled an alternator in my BJ8 to support ac with mixed success. Since ou=
r cars use a v-belt system I had to replace the pulley that came with the a=
lternator(serpentine) with a v-belt pulley.=C2=A0 I have checked the power =
the alternator and at idle, it is below the amperage needed to run the equi=
pment I have installed.<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; When=
 I look at the circumference of the v-belt pulley and the serpentine pulley=
, the v-belt is definitely smaller. Should I use a v-belt pulley of similar=
 size?=C2=A0 Increasing the circumference of the pulley will make the alter=
nator spin faster and maybe solve my issue of slow engine speed/low amp out=
put, I think.<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; If my thinking=
 is correct, how big of a pulley should I use?=C2=A0 I presume that if the =
pulley is too large, it may make the alternator produce too many amps and d=
amage it.=C2=A0 Should I match the size of the serpentine pulley or buy a p=
ulley based on a calculation?=C2=A0 (FWIW, I have no knowledge/experience t=
o do this).<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; The pulleys on t=
he crank and water pump are standard Healey. There is ac installed and the =
pulley on the compressor is larger than the old generator. I have a two bel=
t system so the alternator is belted to the compressor which if what I said=
 above about larger pulleys spin their equipment faster, how should this be=
 accounted for?<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; I may be ove=
r thinking this but I would like to run the ac at a reasonable idle. Has an=
yone approached this and came up with a resolution?<br><div><br></div>&gt; =
<br><div><br></div>&gt; Thank you so much for any light that can be shed on=
 this.<br><div><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; Price Lindsay<br><div=
><br></div>&gt; <br><div><br></div>&gt; Cell: 630-841-6300<br><div><br></di=
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