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Subject: [Healeys] Healeys] Alternator Pulleys
From: "Earl Kagna" <kags@shaw.ca>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:11:17 -0700
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You guys are just too critical.  My BJ8 (with Toyota 5-speed) is still a =
real Healey.  I can tell by the oil leaks. I think that the transmission =
drips a bit too just to keep the rest of the car happy.

Earl



From: Roger Grace=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Michael Salter=20
Cc: Tom McCay ; Healey List ; pbrauen@gmail.com=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys

Agreed - or 5 spd Toyota transmissions ... !!

rg


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
Cc: Price Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>, pbrauen@gmail.com, Tom McCay =
<Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys


Real Healeys don't have alternators \uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:45 PM Roger Grace, <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:

  In any event, unless you are doing significantly more idling than =
driving this drawdown duning idling is not really significant. This is =
what the battery is for. If you had an ammeter you would see the amps =
pick up after idling to bring the batt back up to full volts.


  Of couse you need a good batt, and alternator.


  rg



  ----- Original Message -----


  From: R. Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>


  To: Tom McCay <Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com>


  Cc: pbrauen@gmail.com, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>


  Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:59:08 -0600 (MDT)


  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys



  Thank you!



  Price Lindsay



  Cell: 630-841-6300


  Email: 050.rpl@gmail.com



  Sent from my iPhone



  > On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Tom McCay <Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com> =
wrote:


  >=20


  > Hi Price, alternators do not kick in until they are rotating at =
about 1200 alternator RPM. The pulley ratio is approximately 3:1 when =
comparing the bottom crank pulley to the alternator pulley. At idle of =
800 RPM the alternator would be rotating at 2400 RPM so you should have =
a good output at idle. The smaller the alternator pulley the faster it =
will spin.


  >=20


  > Kindest regards


  >=20


  > Tom McCay


  > Director


  > www.ccw-tools.com


  > Tel: 01522 888178


  > ________________________________________


  > From: Healeys [healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of R. =
Lindsay [050.rpl@gmail.com]


  > Sent: 12 August 2019 23:19


  > To: warthodson@aol.com; pbrauen@gmail.com; Healey List


  > Subject: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys


  >=20


  > I have installed an alternator in my BJ8 to support ac with mixed =
success. Since our cars use a v-belt system I had to replace the pulley =
that came with the alternator(serpentine) with a v-belt pulley.  I have =
checked the power the alternator and at idle, it is below the amperage =
needed to run the equipment I have installed.


  >=20


  > When I look at the circumference of the v-belt pulley and the =
serpentine pulley, the v-belt is definitely smaller. Should I use a =
v-belt pulley of similar size?  Increasing the circumference of the =
pulley will make the alternator spin faster and maybe solve my issue of =
slow engine speed/low amp output, I think.


  >=20


  > If my thinking is correct, how big of a pulley should I use?  I =
presume that if the pulley is too large, it may make the alternator =
produce too many amps and damage it.  Should I match the size of the =
serpentine pulley or buy a pulley based on a calculation?  (FWIW, I have =
no knowledge/experience to do this).


  >=20


  > The pulleys on the crank and water pump are standard Healey. There =
is ac installed and the pulley on the compressor is larger than the old =
generator. I have a two belt system so the alternator is belted to the =
compressor which if what I said above about larger pulleys spin their =
equipment faster, how should this be accounted for?


  >=20


  > I may be over thinking this but I would like to run the ac at a =
reasonable idle. Has anyone approached this and came up with a =
resolution?


  >=20


  > Thank you so much for any light that can be shed on this.


  >=20


  > Price Lindsay


  >=20


  > Cell: 630-841-6300


  > Email: 050.rpl@gmail.com


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<DIV>Earl</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:29 PM</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>Michael Salter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3DTom.McCay@ccw-tools.com=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Agreed - or 5 spd Toyota transmissions ... !!<BR></DIV>
<DIV>rg<BR data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Michael Salter=20
&lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<BR>To: Roger Grace=20
&lt;roggrace@telus.net&gt;<BR>Cc: Price Lindsay =
&lt;050.rpl@gmail.com&gt;,=20
pbrauen@gmail.com, Tom McCay &lt;Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com&gt;, Healey =
List=20
&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<BR>Sent: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:29:01 -0600=20
(MDT)<BR>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Real Healeys don't have alternators=20
\uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23\uD83E\uDD23</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:45 PM Roger =
Grace, &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D_blank=20
data-mce-href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net";>roggrace@telus.net</A>&gt;=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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1px solid"=20
data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; =
padding-left: 1ex;">In=20
  any event, unless you are doing significantly more idling than driving =
this=20
  drawdown duning idling is not really significant. This is what the =
battery is=20
  for. If you had an ammeter you would see the amps pick up after idling =
to=20
  bring the batt back up to full volts.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Of couse you need a good batt, and alternator.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>rg<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>From: R. Lindsay &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"=20
  rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>To: Tom McCay &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com"=20
  rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:59:08 -0600 (MDT)<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>Thank you!<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>Price Lindsay<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>Cell: 630-841-6300<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Email: <A href=3D"mailto:050.rpl@gmail.com"; =
rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>&gt; On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Tom McCay =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com"; rel=3Dnoreferrer =
target=3D_blank=20
  =
data-mce-href=3D"mailto:Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com";>Tom.McCay@ccw-tools.com<=
/A>&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Hi Price, alternators do not kick in until they =
are=20
  rotating at about 1200 alternator RPM. The pulley ratio is =
approximately 3:1=20
  when comparing the bottom crank pulley to the alternator pulley. At =
idle of=20
  800 RPM the alternator would be rotating at 2400 RPM so you should =
have a good=20
  output at idle. The smaller the alternator pulley the faster it will =
spin.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Kindest regards<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Tom McCay<BR>
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List<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Subject: [Healeys] Alternator Pulleys<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; I have installed an alternator in my BJ8 to =
support ac=20
  with mixed success. Since our cars use a v-belt system I had to =
replace the=20
  pulley that came with the alternator(serpentine) with a v-belt =
pulley.&nbsp; I=20
  have checked the power the alternator and at idle, it is below the =
amperage=20
  needed to run the equipment I have installed.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; When I look at the circumference of the v-belt =
pulley=20
  and the serpentine pulley, the v-belt is definitely smaller. Should I =
use a=20
  v-belt pulley of similar size?&nbsp; Increasing the circumference of =
the=20
  pulley will make the alternator spin faster and maybe solve my issue =
of slow=20
  engine speed/low amp output, I think.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; If my thinking is correct, how big of a pulley =
should I=20
  use?&nbsp; I presume that if the pulley is too large, it may make the=20
  alternator produce too many amps and damage it.&nbsp; Should I match =
the size=20
  of the serpentine pulley or buy a pulley based on a calculation?&nbsp; =
(FWIW,=20
  I have no knowledge/experience to do this).<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; The pulleys on the crank and water pump are =
standard=20
  Healey. There is ac installed and the pulley on the compressor is =
larger than=20
  the old generator. I have a two belt system so the alternator is =
belted to the=20
  compressor which if what I said above about larger pulleys spin their=20
  equipment faster, how should this be accounted for?<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; I may be over thinking this but I would like to =
run the=20
  ac at a reasonable idle. Has anyone approached this and came up with a =

  resolution?<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Thank you so much for any light that can be shed =
on=20
  this.<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; Price Lindsay<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&gt; <BR>
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