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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint type and color
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:01:28 -0700
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"... *just buy a quality one from Moss or other vendors"*

FWIW, I've bought several from different vendors--including Moss 
IIRC--and, as someone pointed out, the coloring (enamel, paint, 
whatever) doesn't last because it was applied to chrome.
**

On 10/22/2018 7:11 AM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> Steve and Fellow Listers,
>
> There are two great vendors in the US.
>
> Maxwell Enamels, Vista, CA...
>
> http://www.maxwellenamels.com/Home_Page.html
>
> I am a friend of the owner Karla Maxwell (25 years) and she has done 
> work for me an I have done work for her (Bakelite restoration).
>
> *She is expensive, and for most badges just buy a quality one from 
> Moss or other vendors.*
>
> Moss Motors has a very nice one for $134.00, $239.99 for MKII badges 
> and $249.99 for MKIII badges... Less on sale.
>
> Expect to pay $250-$350 plus to have your original restored.
>
> https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=6725
>
> https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=7568
>
> https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=7569
>
> The other vendor is Emblemagic in Grand River, OH...
>
> http://emblemagic.com/
>
> Ray Geschke is the owner, and also very knowledgeable.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:49 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com 
>
>     There still seems to be some confusion between the _type of
>     construction_ of the badge and the _material_ that is in the
>     colored part.
>
>     Cloisonné and champlevé are jewelers' terms that refer to how the
>     badge is constructed, while the red material is either "vitreous
>     enamel" or paint.
>
>     From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
>
>     *Definition of /cloisonné (adjective)/*
>
>     *: *of, relating to, or being a style of enamel decoration in
>     which the enamel is applied and fired in _raised_ cells (as of
>     soldered wires) on a usually metal background â?? compare champlevé
>     <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champlev%C3%A9>
>
>     *Definition of /champlevé (adjective) /*
>
>     *: *of, relating to, or being a style of enamel decoration in
>     which the enamel is applied and fired in cells _depressed_ (as by
>     incising) into a metal background â?? compare cloisonné
>     <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cloisonn%C3%A9>
>
>     *Definition of /vitreous enamel (noun) /*
>
>     *: *a fired-on opaque glassy coating on steel or other metals
>
>     â?? called also porcelain enamel
>
>     Based on these definitions, the BJ7/BJ8 badge _construction_ is
>     champlevé, while the red _material_ is vitreous enamel or paint. 
>     Some have claimed that their badge never had either material but
>     were plain chrome.
>
>     Steve Byers
>
>     HBJ8L/36666
>
>     BJ8 Registry
>
>     AHCA Delegate at Large
>
>     Havelock, NC
>
>


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    <p>"... <b> just buy a quality one from Moss or other vendors"</b></p>
    FWIW, I've bought several from different vendors--including Moss
    IIRC--and, as someone pointed out, the coloring (enamel, paint,
    whatever) doesn't last because it was applied to chrome.<br>
    <b></b><br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/22/2018 7:11 AM, Curtis Arndt
      wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Steve and Fellow Listers,
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>There are two great vendors in the US.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Maxwell Enamels, Vista, CA...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
                      href="http://www.maxwellenamels.com/Home_Page.html";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.maxwellenamels.com/Home_Page.html</a> </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I am a friend of the owner Karla Maxwell (25
                    years) and she has done work for me an I have done
                    work for her (Bakelite restoration).</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><b>She is expensive, and for most badges just buy
                      a quality one from Moss or other vendors.</b></div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Moss Motors has a very nice one for $134.00,
                    $239.99 for MKII badges and $249.99 for MKIII
                    badges... Less on sale.  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Expect to pay $250-$350 plus to have your
                    original restored.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
                      
href="https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=6725";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=6725</a></div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
                      
href="https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=7568";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=7568</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
                      
href="https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=7569";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=7569</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The other vendor is Emblemagic in Grand River,
                    OH...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href="http://emblemagic.com/"; target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://emblemagic.com/</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Ray Geschke is the owner, and also very
                    knowledgeable.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Cheers,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Curt</div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:49 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">There still seems to be some
                  confusion between the <u>type of construction</u> of
                  the badge and the <u>material</u> that is in the
                  colored part.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">Cloisonné and champlevé are
                  jewelers' terms that refer to how the badge is
                  constructed, while the red material is either
                  "vitreous enamel" or paint.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">From the Merriam-Webster
                  dictionary:</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">Definition of 
<i>cloisonné (adjective)</i></span></b></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">: </span></b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">of, relating to, or being a
                  style of enamel decoration in which the enamel is
                  applied and fired in <u>raised</u> cells (as of
                  soldered wires) on a usually metal background â??
                  compare <a
                    
href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champlev%C3%A9";
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">champlevé</a>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">Definition of <i>champlevé
                      (adjective) </i></span></b></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">: </span></b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">of, relating to, or being a
                  style of enamel decoration in which the enamel is
                  applied and fired in cells <u>depressed</u> (as by
                  incising) into a metal background â?? compare <a
                    
href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cloisonn%C3%A9";
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cloisonné</a>
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">Definition of <i>vitreous
                      enamel (noun) </i></span></b></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">: </span></b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">a fired-on opaque glassy
                  coating on steel or other metals </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">â?? called also porcelain enamel
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060">Based on these definitions,
                  the BJ7/BJ8 badge <u>construction</u> is champlevé,
                  while the red <u>material</u> is vitreous enamel or
                  paint.  Some have claimed that their badge never had
                  either material but were plain chrome.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                  MS&quot;;color:#002060"> </span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                    MS&quot;;color:#002060">Havelock, NC  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#002060"></span></p>
                <br>
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