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My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis
number.
On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:
> BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> _______ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â _______
> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
> (_________________________)
> Â Â Â Â Â BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
> 1967 MGB MG
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
>
> From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there,
> but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s
> do have the chassis number there.
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>> So Charlie,
>>
>> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right
>> front shock tower.
>>
>> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.Â
>> They had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
>> lights, reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles
>> and the lower rear axle. They DID have the wood dash and of
>> course the larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>>
>> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>>
>>
>> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>>
>> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they
>> first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights
>> front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and
>> push button door handles.
>>
>> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>>
>>
>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>>
>> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights,
>> two front and two rear.
>>
>> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>>
>> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>>
>> This should clear things up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
>>
>> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what
>> a car with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s
>> have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
>> mount? So it may be titled with the wrong chassis number.Â
>> That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color or
>> having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly stamped
>> chassis number plate could be part of the issue also.
>>
>> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I
>> thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double
>> parking/ts lights. Then I figured it was just an error on
>> the year they put on the title. But this is much more
>> serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate
>> it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>>> FWIW...
>>>
>>> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>>
>>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that
>>> also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US
>>> delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was
>>> a very rare option to have leather seats. I don't know the
>>> percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less
>>> than 5%. I will check.
>>>
>>> <Leather on BJ8â??s was an option on home market cars
>>> (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been
>>> observed with leather seats -- â??Leather trim for seats,
>>> armrest and rear folding squabsâ?? was listed as an available
>>> option for BJ8's.>
>>>
>>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is
>>> supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it
>>> would have had the single plastic side lights up front and
>>> also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second set
>>> of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>>>
>>> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>>
>>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
>>> flasher unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and
>>> flatter in profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8
>>> (C) _31337_ (B) 76137.
>>>
>>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the
>>> bumper, were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No.
>>> _31336_ (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
>>> 26704). With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced
>>> with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body
>>> fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were
>>> replaced with tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
>>> Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas
>>> type 692 through the end of production.>
>>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right
>>> front wing wheel opening? The metal work looks a bit
>>> inconsistent and the opening is not consistently round?
>>> Compare to the right rear wheel opening. Maybe it's the
>>> angle of the photo, I don't know? The left front opening
>>> looks much better.
>>>
>>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall,
>>> any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then
>>> the high bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is
>>> an overall good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>>>
>>> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that
>>> it was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so
>>> didn't want to credit/blame them.
>>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but
>>> not very well as someone else mentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Charlie Baldwin:Â strange that I never received your
>>> original message via the list (yet).
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous
>>> owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 -
>>> 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in
>>> April 2008.
>>> >
>>> > Steve Byers
>>> > HBJ8L/36666
>>> > BJ8 Registry
>>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>> > Havelock, NC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>>> Bob Spidell
>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>>> >
>>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'Â Was that an original
>>> color? This one came
>>> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't
>>> sell?
>>> >
>>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the
>>> shift lever bent, or
>>> > is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an
>>> otherwise nice
>>> > engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the
>>> auction, but
>>> > > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer
>>> price was
>>> > > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one
>>> in your register?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>>
>>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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<p>My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the
chassis number.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock
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<div dir="ltr">Ira Erbs
<div>Portland,OR</div>
<div><span
style="font-family:'Times
New Roman',serif">Â Â Â
_______ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
      Â
 _______</span><br
style="font-family:'Times
New Roman',serif">
<span
style="font-family:'Times
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(______ \____1959 BN4____/
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style="font-family:'Times
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(_________________________)</span></div>
<div>Â Â Â Â Â BT7 engine and
disk brakes</div>
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<div>1967 MGB Â <img
src="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg";
alt="MG"
moz-do-not-send="true"></div>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an
animal with a thousand
adjustments. Mario
Andretti</span><br>
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<div>Please excuse random auto
corrects and misspelled
words</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
<<a href="mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number
stamped there, but it doesn't match any other other number
on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_-3509005414954637105moz-cite-prefix">On
10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So Charlie,
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<div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number
stamped on the right front shock tower. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964)
looked very similar to BJ7's. They had
<u>glass</u>
"Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
lights, reflectors, the pull versus the
push-button door handles and the lower
rear axle. They DID have the wood dash
and of course the larger engine making
them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
interior...  <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
variations. When they first came out in
1964-5 they now had the single plastic
lights front and rear with the reflectors,
the jacked up rear end, and push button
door handles.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's another nice example in Black
w/red interior...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version
with all plastic lights, two front and two
rear.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a
red interior...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This should clear things up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Curt</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie
Baldwin <<a href="mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not
match what a car with that chassis number should
look like. Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
stamped on the right front shock mount? So it may
be titled with the wrong chassis number. That is
a greater concern to me than being the wrong color
or having poorly fitting seat covers. The poorly
stamped chassis number plate could be part of the
issue also.</p>
<p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for
auction, I thought that it probably isn't really a
'65 due to the double parking/ts lights. Then I
figured it was just an error on the year they put
on the title. But this is much more serious an
issue since the chassis number does not indicate
it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like
one.</p>
<p>Charlie<br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>FWIW...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Obviously, there are some issues with this
car. Â
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is
terrible and that also brings up another issue
in that the vast majority of US delivered
convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it
was a very rare option to have leather seats.
I don't know the percentage off the top of my
head, but it may have been less than 5%. I
will check.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><Leather
on BJ8â??s was an option on home market cars
(England). Very few original American LHD
BJ8 have been observed with leather seats
--Â </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle2"
style="font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">â??Leather
trim for seats, armrest and rear folding
squabsâ?? </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
listed as an available option for
BJ8's.></span><br
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For me the biggest potential issue is that
this car is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no.
<u>30659</u>),
and as such it would have had the single
plastic side lights up front and also in the
rear, with reflectors instead of the second
set of amber plastic turn signal lights?  </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
from Car No. 26705 have a single front
parking/turn flasher unit with a </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">white
plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
profile (Lucas type 692), up </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">through
Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B)
76137.</span></div>
<div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
combination tail/turn signal/brake lights
with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on
the fender just above the bumper, were used
on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No.
<u>31336</u>
(B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
26704). With that car, the upper reflectors
were replaced with separate turn-signal
lights (with a larger body fairing) and
amber plastic lenses and the lower lights
were </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced  </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with
tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
Both upper and lower lights </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">on
these later cars were Lucas type 692 through
the end of production.></span></div>
<div>Â Â </div>
<div>Did anyone else notice in the very first
photo the right front wing wheel opening? The
metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the
opening is not consistently round? Compare to
the right rear wheel opening. Maybe it's the
angle of the photo, I don't know? The left
front opening looks much better.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car
apart and overall, any criticisms can be
repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations.
It is an overall good looking car none the
less, even with its flaws.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Curt</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM
Charlie Baldwin <<a
href="mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve, I'm glad you
have it in the registry.<br>
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car
show that it was restored there, but I didn't
know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame
them.<br>
It appears that leather seat covers were
installed, but not very well as someone else
mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
> On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
<<a href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Charlie Baldwin:Â strange that I never
received your original message via the list
(yet).<br>
> <br>
> Yes, I have the car in the registry. One
previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA
member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut
Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.<br>
> <br>
> Steve Byers<br>
> HBJ8L/36666<br>
> BJ8 Registry<br>
> AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
> Havelock, NCÂ <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Healeys [mailto:<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
> To: <a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey
auction<br>
> <br>
> Not MGB, but 'champagne.'Â Was that an
original color? This one came <br>
> from the factory in white; maybe that's
why it didn't sell?<br>
> <br>
> Not the best seat upholstery I've seen,
and is the shift lever bent, or <br>
> is it an illusion? And the fluid
reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <br>
> engine bay presentation. Nice car,
nonetheless.<br>
> <br>
> Bob<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin
wrote:<br>
> > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8
that was in the auction, but <br>
> > apparently didn't make reserve. I
think the hammer price was <br>
> > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve
Byers, is this one in your register?<br>
> ><br>
> > <a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386";
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> ><br>
> ><br>
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