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I had a NOS sleeved unit that failed. Replaced it with a 187 regular one.
Car runs fine
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
_______ _______
(______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
(_________________________)
BT7 engine and disk brakes
1967 MGB [image: MG]
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:01 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> Fred, I personally believe a 160-deg. F thermostat used in an effort to
> "cool down" a Healey is useless. A thermostat responds only to the
> temperature of the coolant flowing through it by opening up to increase
> coolant flow, and once it is open all the way at 160+, it is out of the
> loop and can't open further to cool more. I am on the NC coast where
> winters are mild. I once tried a 160 (non-sleeved) because I had one tha=
t
> someone gave me. My BJ8 ran so cold that winter that I actually had to
> block part of the radiator to raise it to anywhere near normal. Up there
> in the NC mountains, that would be even more of a problem for you.
>
> I use a 187 F (86 C) New Old Stock AC sleeved thermostat (AC part number
> 1572320) that I was able to score from lister Kees Oudesluijs. I install=
ed
> it along with an upgraded core in the radiator at the same time, so I can=
't
> really say how much improvement the thermostat alone did; but since the
> modification my car runs consistently at 170 - 180 in the hot summers of
> the NC coast, except when in stop-and-go traffic when it might make it to
> 190 or a bit above. In winter, it runs at 160 - 170. I can see the slee=
ve
> operate as the car warms up because the gauge will cycle between 160 and
> 190 until coolant temperature stabilizes. That can take up to 50 miles.
>
> A friend placed an order later with Kees for several of the 190 F sleeved
> thermostats. I got one of those as a spare. Don't know if he has any
> left, or can get more. As far as I know, the only sleeved thermostats
> available from the usual suspects are 160s and I wouldn't waste my money =
on
> them.
>
> I just Googled the AC part number and came up with this source:
>
> *https://tinyurl.com/y9c6n53h <https://tinyurl.com/y9c6n53h>*
>
> Unfortunately, it does not post to the USA (but on the bright side, it
> offers free shipping!). Maybe you could work out a deal with a UK lister
> to buy one for you and ship it to you. =C2=A319.99 =3D $26.04
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Fr=
ed
> Wescoe
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 09, 2018 8:38 PM
> *To:* healeys
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Thermostats
>
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> I have researched what I can of the archives and other sources and am
> still puzzled. I cannot find any real answers and direction on the
> question of which thermostat I should use in my 66 BJ8. Some answers
> indicate a sleeved thermostat and others say no sleeve. Some say a short
> sleeve and others say only the long sleeve works. Some answers indicate
> using a 160 degree thermostat while others propose 180 degrees and even 1=
90
> degrees. Some even say the Moss sleeved thermostat does not work.
>
>
>
> I am in North Carolina and drive the car most of the year. Right now the
> car has a non sleeved 190 degree thermostat. The car starts and needs to
> warm up, at idle, to almost full temp before it runs with no problems.
> Otherwise it spits, coughs and has no power. The car runs at about 190
> degres except when I drive the mountains and of course stop and go traffi=
c.
>
>
>
> What is the consensus of thoughts as we approach colder weather? And wha=
t
> are the sources and manufacturer for a good thermostat?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> 66BJ8
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had a NOS sleeved unit that failed. Replaced it with a 1=
87 regular one. Car runs fine<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira=
Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New R=
oman',serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roma=
n',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"=
font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:=
9;Times New Roman',serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (__________=
_______________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 en=
gine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=
=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem=
.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,5=
1);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andr=
etti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled=
words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:01 AM BJ8Healeys <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><di=
v class=3D"m_-8501206956939195837WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002=
060">Fred, I personally believe a 160-deg. F thermostat used in an effort t=
o "cool down" a Healey is useless.=C2=A0 A thermostat responds on=
ly to the temperature of the coolant flowing through it by opening up to in=
crease coolant flow, and once it is open all the way at 160+, it is out of =
the loop and can't open further to cool more.=C2=A0 I am on the NC coas=
t where winters are mild.=C2=A0 I once tried a 160 (non-sleeved) because I =
had one that someone gave me.=C2=A0 My BJ8 ran so cold that winter that I a=
ctually had to block part of the radiator to raise it to anywhere near norm=
al.=C2=A0 Up there in the NC mountains, that would be even more of a proble=
m for you.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">I use a=
187 F (86 C) New Old Stock AC sleeved thermostat (AC part number 1572320) =
that I was able to score from lister Kees Oudesluijs.=C2=A0 I installed it =
along with an upgraded core in the radiator at the same time, so I can'=
t really say how much improvement the thermostat alone did; but since the m=
odification my car runs consistently at 170 - 180 in the hot summers of the=
NC coast, except when in stop-and-go traffic when it might make it to 190 =
or a bit above.=C2=A0 In winter, it runs at 160 - 170.=C2=A0 I can see the =
sleeve operate as the car warms up because the gauge will cycle between 160=
and 190 until coolant temperature stabilizes.=C2=A0 That can take up to 50=
miles.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">A friend p=
laced an order later with Kees for several of the 190 F sleeved thermostats=
.=C2=A0 I got one of those as a spare.=C2=A0 Don't know if he has any l=
eft, or can get more.=C2=A0 As far as I know, the only sleeved thermostats =
available from the usual suspects are 160s and I wouldn't waste my mone=
y on them.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">I just =
Googled the AC part number and came up with this source:<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><a href=3D"https://tinyurl.com/y9=
c6n53h" target=3D"_blank">https://tinyurl.com/y9c6n53h</a><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Unfortunately, it does not pos=
t to the USA (but on the bright side, it offers free shipping!).=C2=A0 Mayb=
e you could work out a deal with a UK lister to buy one for you and ship it=
to you. =C2=A0=C2=A319.99 =3D $26.04 </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sa=
ns MS";color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#=
002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"=
>Havelock, NC=C2=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><=
div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""=
> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred We=
scoe<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 09, 2018 8:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> heale=
ys<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Thermostats<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">L=
isters,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have researched what I can of the arc=
hives and other sources and am still puzzled.=C2=A0 I cannot find any real =
answers and direction on the question of which thermostat I should use in m=
y 66 BJ8.=C2=A0 Some answers indicate a sleeved thermostat and others say n=
o sleeve.=C2=A0 Some say a short sleeve and others say only the long sleeve=
works.=C2=A0 Some answers indicate using a 160 degree thermostat while oth=
ers propose 180 degrees and even 190 degrees.=C2=A0 Some even say the Moss =
sleeved thermostat does not work.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am in=
North Carolina and drive the car most of the year.=C2=A0 Right now the car=
has a non sleeved 190 degree thermostat.=C2=A0 The car starts and needs to=
warm up, at idle, to almost full temp before it runs with no problems.=C2=
=A0 Otherwise it spits, coughs and has no power.=C2=A0 The car runs at abou=
t 190 degres except when I drive the mountains and of course stop and go tr=
affic.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is the consensus of thoughts =
as we approach colder weather?=C2=A0 And what are the sources and manufactu=
rer for a good thermostat?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for the=
help,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fred<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">66BJ8<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div>______=
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