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At the cost of the labor and spokes how can it be worth rebuilding =
wheels unless you want them to be original.
New spokes painted are $6.00 a spoke and they have to cut all the spokes =
to save time. That=E2=80=99s $288.00 in spokes and a new 48 spoke pained =
wheel is $260.00.
New Chrome spokes are $12.00 a spoke. That=E2=80=99s $576.00 in new =
chrome spokes and $368.00 for a new wheel.=20
Not hard math to do. INstall new wheels.
David Nock
healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
209 948 8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com
From: Hap Polk=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:28 PM
To: 'Bob Spidell'=20
Cc: 'healeys'=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire truing
Opps: Spokes for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels.=20
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hap =
Polk
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:07 PM
To: 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: 'healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire truing
=20
Agree. Spokes are normally cut and tossed. I was suggesting MWS may be a =
source for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels.
=20
From: Bob Spidell [mailto:bspidell@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:17 AM
To: Hap Polk <happolk@cox.net>
Cc: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire truing
=20
The wire wheel specialists I've known don't bother with the spokes when =
rebuilding a wheel--e.g. when replacing a worn center hub--they just cut =
the old spokes out with a bolt cutter. It's a labor intensive job, and =
the spokes are a relatively small part of the cost.
=20
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True enough. Trying to true a wheel that is even mildly flattened or =
more often potato chipped seldom succeeds, leaves an unstable wheel =
because some spokes are loose and that is unsafe because some spokes are =
overstressed. I think MWS will shorten pre-existing high quality butted =
spokes as needed. So, if the rim is reasonably circular, perhaps the =
long-term solution is to relace the wheel with new spokes.
=20
=20
=20
The problem with trying to true the old 48 spoke wheels is that the =
nipples seize on the spokes after 60 odd years and it is virtually =
impossible to free up the threads to save the spokes which are just not =
available for these really early wheels .... also the actual rim itself =
is often a little distorted and straightening that is very difficult and =
cannot be achieved by simply adjusting the spokes.=20
I had heard of people deflating the tire and rotating it 90 degrees on =
the rim then checking again so I gave that a try... There was no =
measurable change although I tried it in all 4 quadrants on the worst =
wheel ... I suspect that modern tires are made pretty accurately.=20
Regarding the "scalloping" I actually made 4 cuts on each tire and =
managed to position the blade to cut the tread fairly much like the =
original profile.. After a 10 mile run the tires look just like they did =
when before the treatment.
Michael S
BN1 #174
=20
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> =
wrote:
Ingenious, and very not PC, but, wouldn't it have been easier to true =
the wheels? =20
=20
You probably want to run a little under-inflated as well, to =
compensate for the width-wise scalloping of the tread.
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<DIV>At the cost of the labor and spokes how can it be worth rebuilding =
wheels=20
unless you want them to be original.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>New spokes painted are $6.00 a spoke and they have to cut all the =
spokes to=20
save time. That=E2=80=99s $288.00 in spokes and a new 48 spoke pained =
wheel is=20
$260.00.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>New Chrome spokes are $12.00 a spoke. That=E2=80=99s $576.00 in new =
chrome spokes=20
and $368.00 for a new wheel. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not hard math to do. INstall new wheels.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net<BR>209 948=20
8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dhappolk@cox.net =
href=3D"mailto:happolk@cox.net";>Hap Polk</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dbspidell@comcast.net=20
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>'Bob Spidell'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>'healeys'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire=20
truing</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Opps:=20
Spokes for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><A name=3D_MailEndCompose><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></A> </P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
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"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys=20
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Hap=20
Polk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
'Bob=20
Spidell' <bspidell@comcast.net><BR><B>Cc:</B> 'healeys'=20
<healeys@autox.team.net><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] New Post =
on my=20
Blog...tire truing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Agree.=20
Spokes are normally cut and tossed. I was suggesting MWS may be a source =
for=20
Healey original style 48 spoke wheels.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Bob =
Spidell [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>mailto:bspidell@comcast.net</A>]=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Hap =
Polk=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:happolk@cox.net";>happolk@cox.net</A>><BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
Michael Salter <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>>; =
healeys=20
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</A>><BR>=
<B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire=20
truing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>The wire wheel =
specialists=20
I've known don't bother with the spokes when rebuilding a wheel--e.g. =
when=20
replacing a worn center hub--they just cut the old spokes out with a =
bolt=20
cutter. It's a labor intensive job, and the spokes are a =
relatively small=20
part of the cost.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica",sans-serif; COLOR: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>True=20
enough. Trying to true a wheel that is even mildly flattened or more =
often=20
potato chipped seldom succeeds, leaves an unstable wheel because some =
spokes are=20
loose and that is unsafe because some spokes are overstressed. I think =
MWS will=20
shorten pre-existing high quality butted spokes as needed. So, if the =
rim is=20
reasonably circular, perhaps the long-term solution is to relace the =
wheel with=20
new spokes.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
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black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: =
black'>The=20
problem with trying to true the old 48 spoke wheels is that the nipples =
seize on=20
the spokes after 60 odd years and it is virtually impossible to free up =
the=20
threads to save the spokes which are just not available for these really =
early=20
wheels .... also the actual rim itself is often a little distorted and=20
straightening that is very difficult and cannot be achieved by simply =
adjusting=20
the spokes. </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: =
black'>I=20
had heard of people deflating the tire and rotating it 90 degrees on the =
rim=20
then checking again so I gave that a try... There was no measurable =
change=20
although I tried it in all 4 quadrants on the worst wheel ... I suspect =
that=20
modern tires are made pretty accurately. </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: black'>Regarding the =
"scalloping" I=20
actually made 4 cuts on each tire and managed to position the blade to =
cut the=20
tread fairly much like the original profile.. After a 10 mile run the =
tires look=20
just like they did when before the treatment.</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: black'>Michael =
S</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: =
black'>BN1=20
#174</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 =
at 10:18 AM,=20
Bob Spidell <<A href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"=20
target=3D_blank>bspidell@comcast.net</A>> =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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very not=20
PC, but, wouldn't it have been easier to true the wheels? =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: black'>You probably =
want to run=20
a little under-inflated as well, to compensate for the width-wise =
scalloping=20
of the tread.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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