Curt,
You are another who contradicts themselves. I said there are
different types. One being the "originality or hell" and the other
"It looks the same - thus is the same". You said that some people
do not support your concours standards, and the Corvette people have
the same situation. SO doesn't that prove my point THERE ARE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAR BUFFS !!!!!!! AND you have to be one or the
other! I mean do you have people who do like your concours standards
AND do NOT like your standards?
As to changing the car's colour ! How can you even say that is
original. It is bad enough, but excusable, that people use two pack
paint - but changing the colour?????? There is no degree in
originality - it is either original or not - original colour or not
!!. Now there is no harm in doing concours judging and not
penalising repro parts but no repro part is going to be
original. Because if this is the case then your judging would put a
perfectly preserved Healey (Oh what a barn find!!) on the same plane
as one a taken to bits, completely refinished, welded, etc with new
identical (made in China?) repro lights, electric parts,
interior. This because they would look identical !!!
What it all comes down to is that your standards are not the
standards of those who want originality. There is room for all
types. As being on shaky ground I suppose you could say that with a
100 points BJ8 experience and the spending of 5 hours restoring a
battery switch for my 1955 Aston when I could have bought a nice
repro - Why? because I will have the original switch.
At 03:52 PM 6/17/2011, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote:
>Barrie,
>
>Where is this planet you live on where everything is black or
>white? ;-) Seems to me there's a good Star Trek episode here
>somewhere, but I digress.
>
>When it comes to cars, and Concours specifically, there are many
>variances and the differences matter, and your pregnancy analogy
>does does not apply here. My take on a popular quote is... "God is
>in the details."
>
>It's simply a matter degrees when we're talking about originality,
>in other words how far do you go? I know some in the AH community
>that don't support our Concours because we are NOT strict enough,
>e.g., the fact that we allow you to change the color of YOUR car
>infuriates them no end.
>
>I once knew a fellow who would not use modern steel in his body
>restorations, and insisted on using only pieces of original panels
>from the same model car to repair the damaged ones he had. I said
>to him , "I suppose you go to England then to get and bring back
>original British air to put is your tyres too?" He was not amused,
>but I made my point.
>
>Take for example the Corvette Concours folks... Did you know that
>there are two separate and distinct Corvette Concours groups out
>there? Why? Because there were a group of Corvette fanatics that
>didn't think the current Concours group (NCRS) was strict or pure
>enough for their liking, hence the formation of the Bloomington Gold
>Corvette Group. These people bring originality to a new (read anal)
>level where they intentionally duplicate all of the factory flaws
>built into the cars. In fact as the story goes, a wealthy Japanesse
>collector paid huge dollars for a Blooming ton Gold Corvette only to
>be horrified when he saw the car and it wasn't this over restored
>Peeble Beach example. He demanded his money back and was politely
>told NO, this is what you paid for... a Bloomington Gold Standard restoration.
>
>So Barrie, I guess with all evidence to the contrary you can stand
>your ground, as shaky as that may be.
>
>I'm done.
>
>Curt
>
>On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Barrie Robinson
><<mailto:barrie at look.ca>barrie at look.ca> wrote:
>Curt,
>
>I stand my ground! You either like to keep things original or you
>don't - akin to being a little bit pregnant. My first category is
>those who want an original car - NOT an overblown, chrome plated,
>hand rubbed 200 times paint jobs a la Leno. I am/was the first
>example in that everything was restored to original finish and
>colour - no extra chroming, no new modern wiring, no non-period
>improvements (unless had to be). As to Leno and such, they have a
>lot to answer for - seeing old classics with paint jobs that cost
>more than a new car is just an exhibition of $$$$$$. I suppose if
>they got Michelangelo's David they would give him a jock strap in
>black satin or an Armani suit !! Actually, no they would not do
>that but they would have it soda blasted to take the dust etc off!
>
>
>
Regards
Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060
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