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Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

To: Ken Knight <kknight@klaenv.com>, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>, "vfracing@aol.com" <vfracing@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
From: Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:49:56 -0800 (PST)
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FOT,
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This is a big deal.  I will check this out with SVRA and report back ASAP. =
 I can tell you that in California, its extremely difficult, if not impossi=
ble, to purchase new systems.  The tanks are back ordered.  In fact, I'm le=
nding out the bottle from my Miata so other racers can us it in local SCCA =
San Francisco races.  So this  requirement doesn't match up with reality fo=
r now.  I have a new bottle in my TR7, but couldn't get last year for the T=
R8.  Both cars have a single activation points for the driver only.
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Curt Johnston

> On 02/20/2024 1:11 PM PST Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we kn=
own this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of t=
his is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could =
very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, b=
uy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home c=
lubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty wel=
l leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential l=
arge expense.
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> We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under=
 the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be=
 allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minu=
te does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t think the=
 rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable=
.
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> Ken
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> Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986 for Windo=
ws
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> From: vfracing--- via Fot mailto:fot@autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
> To: FOT Triumph mailto:fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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> Advanced warning:
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> The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of=
 the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are=
 required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the =
driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean i=
nto the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note=
 that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)
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> For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://s=
vra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
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> Regards,
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> Phil Gott
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">This is a big d=
eal.&nbsp; I will check this out with SVRA and report back ASAP.&nbsp; I ca=
n tell you that in California, its extremely difficult, if not impossible, =
to purchase new systems.&nbsp; The tanks are back ordered.&nbsp; In fact, I=
'm lending out the bottle from my Miata so other racers can us it in local =
SCCA San Francisco races.&nbsp; So this&nbsp; requirement doesn't match up =
with reality for now.&nbsp; I have a new bottle in my TR7, but couldn't get=
 last year for the TR8.&nbsp; Both cars have a single activation points for=
 the driver only.</span>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">So with a very short time get this done, this is=
 the New rule?&nbsp; Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have bee=
n a winter project.&nbsp; Some of this is not hard but sending your system =
off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these ti=
mes.&nbsp; So what is the alternative, buy a new system?&nbsp; Some of us h=
ave already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is =
a short turn around until Sonoma.&nbsp; Pretty well leaves us in a major bi=
nd as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with=
 SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our=
 home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.&nbsp; Dropping this mandato=
ry rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.&nbsp; No one wants to b=
e unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timi=
ng to get this done is unreasonable.</p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ken</p>=20
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rom: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>vfracing--- via Fot</a>=
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o: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT Triumph</a><br><stron=
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         <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif;">The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more stric=
t than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. &nbsp;Not=
ably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation po=
ints, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course wor=
ker without having to lean into the car. &nbsp;Furthermore, they must be re=
-certified every two years. &nbsp;Note that these are requirements, not rec=
ommendations, and new this year (2024)</span></p>=20
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         <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif;">For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Re=
quirements at&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/S=
VRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">https://svra=
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