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On my TR6 race motors (I=E2=80=99ve run 133 events, about 10000 miles), =
I never ran external oil lines and only experienced rod bearing problems =
twice, both were not associated with starved bearings, but builder =
error. I don=E2=80=99t recall ever having a main bearing failure.=20
I=E2=80=99ve never seen a manufactured oil manifold, most I=E2=80=99ve =
seen are put together with a bunch of tees. I think it would be easy =
enough to weld up a manifold out of pipe and fittings.
I think attention should be paid to the oil pump in particular. =20
I=E2=80=99ve taking mine and cleaned up the castings to flow smoother =
and have checked all the tolerances to make sure they=E2=80=99re with in =
spec (blueprinted), there is someone who is offering blueprinted oil =
pumps for the TR6 and maybe a gasket between the oil pump and block =
would help.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
=20
https://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm
=20
http://www.wbclassics.com/content/oil-pump-blueprinted-port-blended-trium=
ph-gt6-tr250-tr6
=20
=20
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via =
Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:11 AM
To: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
=20
Inquiry about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.
=20
Seems like this guy is a candidate for FOT.
=20
=20
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell: 319.464.4711
=20
Begin forwarded message:
Date: January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20=E2=80=AFAM CST
Subject: RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne Winters)
=EF=BB=BF
Joe,
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Thanks for the follow up. Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil =
system for the main bearings. I am exploring this as I understand the =
main bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race =
conditions. I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a robust =
engine and oil system. So, the TR6 race engine is a new project for me. =
I owned a =E2=80=9970 MG Midget and =E2=80=9970 TR6 =E2=80=9Cback in =
the day=E2=80=9D, but were street driven.
=20
Attached are excerpts from the most recent version of Kastner=E2=80=99s =
Triumph preparation manual (pages 130-135). I included the section on =
oil pumps through oil sump. In the book, there is a discussion about =
the external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he =
=E2=80=9Cstopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main =
gallery=E2=80=9D. Also, I understand the black manifold in one of the =
pictures =E2=80=9Cmeters=E2=80=9D the oil flow. One of the pictures =
shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to the =
accusump. It is this black oil manifold that I cannot find a source or =
enough information even to ensure constructing it properly. I want to =
avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, then find it does not =
work as intended.=20
=20
With regards to an oiler for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy =
debate in most of the forums, many implying that it would starve the =
main bearings. There seems to be no consensus.
=20
Anything you can provide would be helpful.
=20
Thanks again,
=20
Mark Cook
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>On my TR6 race motors =
(I=E2=80=99ve run 133 events, about 10000 miles), I never ran external =
oil lines and only experienced rod bearing problems twice, both were not =
associated with starved bearings, but builder error.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I =
don=E2=80=99t recall ever having a main bearing failure. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never seen a =
manufactured oil manifold, most I=E2=80=99ve seen are put together with =
a bunch of tees.=C2=A0 I think it would be easy enough to weld up a =
manifold out of pipe and fittings.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
think attention should be paid to the oil pump in particular.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve taking mine and cleaned =
up the castings to flow smoother and have checked all the tolerances to =
make sure they=E2=80=99re with in spec (blueprinted), there is someone =
who is offering blueprinted oil pumps for the TR6 and maybe a gasket =
between the oil pump and block would help.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Charly Mitchel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> TR6 =
#44<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm";>https://tr6.danielso=
nfamily.org/OilPump.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.wbclassics.com/content/oil-pump-blueprinted-port-blend=
ed-triumph-gt6-tr250-tr6">http://www.wbclassics.com/content/oil-pump-blue=
printed-port-blended-triumph-gt6-tr250-tr6</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot =
<fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Alexander via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 18, 2024 9:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Fwd: Kas Kastner - Oil =
Manifold (Suzanne Winters)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Inquiry =
about oil system for TR6 Race Engine.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Seems like this guy is a candidate for =
FOT.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Joe =
Alexander<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>4505 Donald =
Dr<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cedar Falls, IA =
50613<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>ARE =
LLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gasketinnovations.com<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:N197tr4@cs.com";>N197tr4@cs.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cell: =
319.464.4711<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Begin forwarded =
message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b>From:</b> Mark Cook <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mecook@mindspring.com";>mecook@mindspring.com</a>><br><b=
>Date:</b> January 18, 2024 at 9:17:20=E2=80=AFAM CST<br><b>To:</b> =
JOSEPH ALEXANDER <<a =
href=3D"mailto:n197tr4@cs.com";>n197tr4@cs.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> =
<b>RE: Kas Kastner - Oil Manifold (Suzanne =
Winters)</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Joe,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the follow =
up. Actually, it is an auxiliary external oil system for the main =
bearings. I am exploring this as I understand the main =
bearings in the TR6 do not receive adequate oil flow in race =
conditions. I currently have a BMW Spec E46 330Ci which has a =
robust engine and oil system. So, the TR6 race engine is a new =
project for me. I owned a =E2=80=9970 MG Midget and =
=E2=80=9970 TR6 =E2=80=9Cback in the day=E2=80=9D, but were street =
driven.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Attached are excerpts =
from the most recent version of Kastner=E2=80=99s Triumph preparation =
manual (pages 130-135). I included the section on oil pumps =
through oil sump. In the book, there is a discussion about the =
external distribution hoses on the GT6, he mentions that he =
=E2=80=9Cstopped all oil from going to the normal openings to the main =
gallery=E2=80=9D. Also, I understand the black manifold in one of =
the pictures =E2=80=9Cmeters=E2=80=9D the oil flow. One of the =
pictures shows a feed line (the large black braided line) as going to =
the accusump. It is this black oil manifold that I cannot =
find a source or enough information even to ensure constructing it =
properly. I want to avoid simply having a tube with fittings made, =
then find it does not work as intended. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>With regards to an oiler =
for the rocker arms, I see that there is heavy debate in most of the =
forums, many implying that it would starve the main bearings. =
There seems to be no consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Anything you can provide =
would be helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks =
again,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Mark =
Cook</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></=
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