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Re: [Fot] Fwd: Starter

To: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
From: DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 15:35:31 -0500
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks Ted<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m s=
till working on a solution. I have pulled the starter and inspected wear pat=
tern on pinion gear. It looks like an even wear pattern and about 50% of tee=
th are engaged. I bench tested starter and it seems to be working fine. I re=
installed started and am getting same result-starter just spins and does not=
 engage ring gear.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Also-I have a T9 trans con=
version from Quantum Mechanics. I wonder if ring gear or flywheel shifter so=
mehow?</div><div><br></div><div>The car started fine 15 times or so and then=
 started just spinning.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 2, 2023, at 2:48 PM=
, Ted Schumacher via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Sorry to be late on this. Since we were
      one of the originators of this product we are very familiar with
      it. The Denso based gear reduction starter disengages from the
      ring gear when the engine starts, unlike the original Lucas
      starter which disengages when the engine "fires".&nbsp; Because of
      this, the starter pinion needs to engage 40 - 60% of the ring
      gear, not the entire ring gear.&nbsp; If entire ring gear is engage, i=
t
      is possible for the starter not to disengage and be spun at engine
      speed. This will trash the starter.&nbsp; Our units are ring gear and
      flywheel specific. Example, there are 2 different TR3 ring&nbsp; gears=
.
      They differ by one tooth so a TR3 that used an original 9 tooth
      pinion gear starter (early car) cannot use the starter for the
      later TR3 or TR4 that had a 10 tooth pinion gear.&nbsp; Ted<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 10/28/2023 3:18 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:D4F65416-2590-4E7C-A033-B1C81F99B6=
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      Thanks to all for your help.&nbsp;
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Update: &nbsp;I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it
        looks like it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving
        out and spinning.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than
        50%. Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like
        the pinion gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh
        with ring gear.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Has anyone seen this?<br>
        <br>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM,
            <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@g=
ooglemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a> wrote:<br>
            <br>
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">there are several gear types on the
                flywheel and the gear on the starter needs to match.<o:p></o=
:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are pull push types, or push
                pull types, the engage flange need to fit and also the
                teeth distance and such stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Besides that, those starters are
                quite reliable.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">From:</span></=
b><span lang=3D"DE"> Fot <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:f=
ot-bounces@autox.team.net">&lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>DENNIS WALJE via Fot<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 27, 2023 2:48 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Amici Triumphi
                      <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net">&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Fwd: Starter<o:p></o:p></span></=
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:=
</b>
                    DENNIS WALJE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:walje@sbcglobal.net"; m=
oz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">walje@sbcglobal.net<=
/a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Date:</b> October 26, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM CDT<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot-owner@autox.team.net"; m=
oz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">fot-owner@autox.team=
.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> <b>Starter</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFFriends<br>
                    <br>
                    Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear
                    reduction starter? &nbsp;I installed one on a new engine=

                    and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does
                    not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is 12.60,
                    engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid
                    and wiring are new. <br>
                    <br>
                    Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks<br>
                    <br>
                    Dennis Walje<br>
                    68 GT6 <br>
                    <br>
                    Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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