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Thanks Ted,=C2=A0 good information.=C2=A0 I know that TR's also switched f=
rom having the ring gear on the front of the flywheel to having it on the b=
ack.=C2=A0 I know the early TR-2/3 starters pushed into the ring gear from=
the front, while the later (somewhere around 50,000 VIN) pulled in from th=
e rear of the flywheel.=C2=A0 Thus, I believe the ring gear was on the side=
of the flywheel from which the starter pinion gear engaged.=C2=A0 I didn't=
realize they changed the number of teeth on the pinion gear, but I guess i=
t would make sense that this change would have occurred when they switched =
starters and flywheels (again, around VIN 50,000).=C2=A0 Is this correct?
Jack=20
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 04:06:10 PM EDT, Ted Schumacher via Fo=
t <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Sorry to be late on this. Since we were one of the originators of this pr=
oduct we are very familiar with it. The Denso based gear reduction starter =
disengages from the ring gear when the engine starts, unlike the original L=
ucas starter which disengages when the engine "fires".=C2=A0 Because of thi=
s, the starter pinion needs to engage 40 - 60% of the ring gear, not the en=
tire ring gear.=C2=A0 If entire ring gear is engage, it is possible for the=
starter not to disengage and be spun at engine speed. This will trash the =
starter.=C2=A0 Our units are ring gear and flywheel specific. Example, ther=
e are 2 different TR3 ring=C2=A0 gears. They differ by one tooth so a TR3 t=
hat used an original 9 tooth pinion gear starter (early car) cannot use the=
starter for the later TR3 or TR4 that had a 10 tooth pinion gear.=C2=A0 Te=
d
=20
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On 10/28/2023 3:18 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:
=20
=20
Thanks to all for your help.=C2=A0=20
Update: =C2=A0I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it looks like=
it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning.=C2=A0=
=20
Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than 50%. Inspect=
ion of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like the pinion gear is not c=
oming out far enough or failing to mesh with ring gear.=C2=A0=20
Has anyone seen this?
=20
Sent from my iPhone=20
=20
On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote:
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=20
=20
=EF=BB=BF=20
=20
Hi,
=20
=C2=A0
=20
there are several gear types on the flywheel and the gear on the starter ne=
eds to match.
=20
There are pull push types, or push pull types, the engage flange need to fi=
t and also the teeth distance and such stuff.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Besides that, those starters are quite reliable.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Cheers
=20
Chris
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DENNIS WALJE via Fot
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:48 AM
To: Amici Triumphi <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter
=20
=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Sent from my iPhone
=20
Begin forwarded message:
=20
=20
From: DENNIS WALJE <walje@sbcglobal.net>
Date: October 26, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM CDT
To: fot-owner@autox.team.net
Subject: Starter
=20
=20
=20
=EF=BB=BFFriends
=20
Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear reduction starter? =C2=A0I ins=
talled one on a new engine and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but do=
es not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is 12.60, engine is properly g=
rounded, all cables, solenoid and wiring are new.=20
=20
Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?
=20
Thanks
=20
Dennis Walje
68 GT6=20
=20
Sent from my iPhone
=20
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tedtsimx@bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
305 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ___________________________=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks Ted, good infor=
mation. I know that TR's also switched from having the ring gear on t=
he front of the flywheel to having it on the back. <span> I know the =
early TR-2/3 starters pushed into the ring gear from the=20
front, while the later (somewhere around 50,000 VIN) pulled in from the=20
rear of the flywheel. Thus, I believe the ring gear was on the side=
=20
of the flywheel from which the starter pinion gear engaged. </span>I =
didn't realize they changed the number of teeth on the pinion gear, but I g=
uess it would make sense that this change would have occurred when they swi=
tched starters and flywheels (again, around VIN 50,000). Is this corr=
ect?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
data-setdir=3D"false">Jack <br></div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div>
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 04:06:10 PM EDT, Ted S=
chumacher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320"><div>
<div class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-cite-prefix">Sorry to be late=
on this. Since we were
one of the originators of this product we are very familiar with
it. The Denso based gear reduction starter disengages from the
ring gear when the engine starts, unlike the original Lucas
starter which disengages when the engine "fires". Because of
this, the starter pinion needs to engage 40 - 60% of the ring
gear, not the entire ring gear. If entire ring gear is engage, =
it
is possible for the starter not to disengage and be spun at engine
speed. This will trash the starter. Our units are ring gear and
flywheel specific. Example, there are 2 different TR3 ring gear=
s.
They differ by one tooth so a TR3 that used an original 9 tooth
pinion gear starter (early car) cannot use the starter for the
later TR3 or TR4 that had a 10 tooth pinion gear. Ted<br clear=
=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqtfd20147" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yi=
v0256509320yqt0527038732"><br clear=3D"none">
On 10/28/2023 3:18 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div></div><div id=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqtfd08176" class=3D"ydp=
5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqt0527038732">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqtfd6011=
0" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqt0527038732"><div>
Thanks to all for your help.
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Update: I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it
looks like it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving
out and spinning. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than
50%. Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like
the pinion gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh
with ring gear. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Has anyone seen this?<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM,
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; clas=
s=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-txt-link-abbreviated" rel=3D"nofollow" tar=
get=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div id=3D"ydp5c4c4a7=
6yiv0256509320yqtfd02028" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320yqt0527038732"><=
div class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320WordSection1">
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
DE">Hi,</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
DE"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">there are seve=
ral gear types on the
flywheel and the gear on the starter needs to match.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">There are pull=
push types, or push
pull types, the engage flange need to fit and also the
teeth distance and such stuff.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">Besides that, =
those starters are
quite reliable.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">Cheers</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">Chris</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medi=
um; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"><b><span l=
ang=3D"DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D=
"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-tx=
t-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><fot-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>DENNIS WALJE via Fot<br clear=3D"=
none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 27, 2023 2:48 AM<br clea=
r=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Amici Triumphi
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
rget=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Fwd: Starter</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv025=
6509320MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">Sent from my=
iPhone</p>=20
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0=
256509320MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none">
Begin forwarded message:</p>=20
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yi=
v0256509320MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
DENNIS WALJE <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:walje=
@sbcglobal.net" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-txt-link-freetext" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">walje@sbcglobal.net</a>><br clear=3D"non=
e">
<b>Date:</b> October 26, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM CDT<br clea=
r=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot-owner@a=
utox.team.net" class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320moz-txt-link-freetext" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot-owner@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Starter</b></p>=20
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</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp5c4c4a76yiv0256509320MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFF=
riends<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear
reduction starter? I installed one on a new engin=
e
and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does
not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is 12.60,
engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid
and wiring are new. <br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Thanks<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Dennis Walje<br clear=3D"none">
68 GT6 <br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Sent from my iPhone</p>=20
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</blockquote>
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